It's a real cis-privilege to...

I reject the notion of gender.
Men and women should be free to express themselves in any way they want to without judgement or persecution. Without the need to redefine their sex.
Anyone who suffers from dysphoria should be treated with care and respect and offered any treatment that is appropriate to their needs. Drastic life-changing surgery should be the last resort.

@katsumoto8 thanks

it's easy to describe the feeling of not conforming. It's a feeling of fear, uncertainty, insecurity and finally bravado that occurs when you realise that you are the only female in a class or you realise that all the other women are wearing heels, or when the salesman suddenly realises you are interested in the bhp not the colour or the car

I haven't called anyone here cis and I didn't mean to come across as offensive I was just trying to explain that the main use of the word is not to offend and I'm sorry if that came across the wrong way

katsumoto8
Since you refuse to stop referring to women here with a slur I am going to stop engaging with you. Please do not @ me again.

@LangCleg and I completely respect that and get where you're coming from

katsumoto8 - I'm sure nobody minds you referring to yourself as cis - you can use any term about yourself that you think describes you - but if a group of women are telling you that they find it an offensive and reductive term, why not just stop using it to refer to others so that you do not cause offence?

I am a woman. I do not have a gender identity. I reject the term cis. All I'm personally asking is that you respect that.

I also think that if transactivists and their allies insist I use terms that they find acceptable and not terms that they don't, it should be a two way street. That's how respect works.

I'm trying to get the hang of it honestly give me another example

not to say cis cannot be used in derogatory it just doesn't have the same negative connotations attached to it like the n word has

Yes it does. It just does not have the history. Yet.
We female women objected from day one to males designating themselves women and females as cis.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

Re-read my post regarding "ancient Latin" terms, katsu.

This is indeed how "cis" is used: "from my understanding it is the term for someone who was born female and also identifies as a woman (the same goes for males and men)", but you also seem to be using the term to mean "biologically female". The word for biologically female is "female" or (in the case of humans) "woman".

My analysis is that it's been invented as an othering term rather than a distinguishing term.

I was born female, I am a woman.
I don’t indentify with gender at all

@midgebabe I don't really think I can because I don't really understand the feeling of not conforming with your sex - I don't conform to every female stereotype but I guess I feel like a woman

@KatherinaMinola what is cis a term for then because from my understanding it is the term for someone who was born female and also identifies as a woman (the same goes for males and men)

@AssassinatedBeauty I get what you're saying since there is technically just women and men and I get it if people find it offensive. I just think cis is a blanket term that was created to cover most gender conforming people but I do understand now it is used in derogatory ways.

@katsumoto8. Can you explain what is it about yourself that makes you able to say your gender identity matches your sex? What specific aspects of gender identity do you relate to? Is it activity based, like shopping, visually based , like the clothes you wear, things you do, e.g. SAHM or aspects of your character such as nurturing and empathetic? Or a combination of all?

"Cis" is not a synonym for "biologically female". I think you are a bit confused.

Short versions that work: man, woman, male, female.

@thebewilderness many people do use it as a pejorative I'm not denying that all I'm trying to get across is that it's main use is to identify trans women from people who are biologically female (cis women)

The female of our species is a woman. We will avoid anthropomorphism. Where are my glasses?

No cis does not mean the same thing. Maybes it did once, or does in some communities, but it has been used in derogatory ways, which is why so many of us are each saying it is offensive. It is typically used to say possessing a gender identity that matches the biological sex which is not the same biological sex.

Also, it is obscufating things. It is not a word that everyone understandings in the same way....or we wouldn't be having this debate!

The technically correct word for biologically female human is woman but you don't want to use the word that way. I am trying to suggest something that is not offensive.

the person was saying that calling someone the n word is the same as calling someone cis which definitely isn't the case - I'm not saying cis can't be found offensive by some people

You are being deliberately(?) obtuse now, katsu.

I'm not comparing it to other slurs. I'm saying it's majority use is as a slur and as part of aggressive attacks on women. If you think that's a neutral use and a simple descriptor then I'm surprised.

It's also incorrect to refer to women en masse as "cis", because you simply don't know if all/most/some women identify with the gender stereotypes and constructs associated with their sex. According to Stonewall's definition of trans, most people would be trans unless they are a walking stereotype.

It is used as a pejorative therefore it is a pejorative. That is a fact. You are using it here repeatedly and arguing that the people it is used as a pejorative against should not view it as a pejorative. The same argument is used to justify using the word bitch and slut as a pejorative, I am asking you to stop calling women a pejorative. Are you refusing?

We are fine with just female. That works. Anyway pop over to the cis is a slur thread and see whats going on.

@AssassinatedBeauty I wasn't meaning to give a label to gender non conforming people I was just trying to say I don't really know because I'm a gender conforming cis woman

And cis and biologically female (or male) literally mean the same thing cis is just the shorter version???

But it isn’t, is it - at least by the people who subscribe to the notion. They say it means someone who agrees with the gender they were born in. That is not synonymous with female.

@Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen it's definitely a complicated subject and I don't think it should be as simple as going well I say I'm a women so I'm entitled to use female dressing rooms etc because that definitely shouldn't be the case but I also think that many trans women are genuinely trans and shouldn't be excluded from women's spaces because of some creepy men