Thoughts on #suemepaddy ?

If you follow the link under the picture you get his official biography and a link to his management company.
I thought these quotes were interesting

Maryz @paddyjackson10 is his Twitter name and it appears to be his tweet

I'd be surprised if that tweet is real. The threat of litigation has been a PR disaster, but I think even Stevie Wonder would see the danger of the public seeing a newly acquitted defendant out on the sauce in a town as small as Belfast. Any celebrations were probably at home or something similarly low key, and I'd be very very shocked if he's started using social media again. His side are trying to shield him from reality. They're trying to play Whack-a-Troll with nasty people on the internet and seem to think if you make people stop talking about it it'll all go back to how it was two years ago. Spoiler alert- it won't, and you're making it worse.

I think how each of them behaves going forward with be an interesting lesson for anyone interested in PR, or just humans in general.

I hope so, Adelica, but it's the same one that is now protected, so I dunno. Surely even he couldn't be that stupid.

If it is real then it's absolutely disgraceful behaviour from him. Not that we should be surprised given what we know about his actions from that night.

I'd be embarrassed if he was a part of my family.

Am pretty sure (have seen it on another site) that the tweet quoted above purporting to be from paddyjackson10 is a fake. (that's the "for whoever dares" one)

Does anyone know if he really tweeted that?

I presumed it was a piss-take by someone, I find it hard to believe he'd go straight back on twitter at all, much less to post that

Marian Keyes on Twitter

“For whoever dares”

That’s so fucking goady!!! He’s taunting the woman. He’s publicly taunting her and mocking her. Can this scrote sink any lower?

There is a crowd finder to put an advert in the paper to ask Irish Rugby and Ulster Rugby not to bring him back.
I’ve donated to it.
www.gofundme.com/noplaceonarugbyfield?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=campaign_title&utm_campaign=donation_receiptv5

I'd donate to a crowdfunding for this too.

Massive massive respect for the senator and I wish I was on twitter so I could tweet him support.

I think Olding's family have been supportive of him as a person, but unsupportive of what he did

So they have been in court, apparently, but have entered separately and supported behind the scenes. They have not arrived with him, and they haven't stood with him and his legal team for the courtroom photographs. Whereas Jackson's family and legal team have been confrontational from the start - I think they believe that if they shout loud enough all his pre-trial supporters will shout with him.

I think Olding and his family have taken the right approach, and I think there may well come a time when he openly rejects Jackson's way of dealing with this - and if that comes I will have much more time for him.

"Afters in mine for whoever dares"

That is so grim. What a prize.

His Twitter is now protected though

I think he was up for a celebration and some positive press coverage.
Apparently he stepped from the court with a renewed sense of pride

Thank you.

I do hope he sues then.

YY craic, if Jackson were a loved one of mine I'd have told him to lay low and think very hard for a few days about whether he wants to pursue this civil action or not. Maybe they did, I don't know, but if they didn't then they're not helping him.

Were I his solicitor, I would be writing very clear and detailed file notes stating that I had discussed the potential disadvantages with him.

Omagh bombing civil case. Can't find the judgement so news article will have to do.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/5476676/Omagh-bombing-judgment-relatives-win-landmark-civil-case.html

Note that those responsible for the Omagh bombing, whatever else there is to say about them, weren't stupid enough to sue anyone for defamation.

I've heard Olding's family have not been as supportive as Jackson's. Perhaps that's had an impact and made him reflect critically on his actions or he's trying to prove something to them. If Jackson's lot are blowing smoke up his ass and encouraging him with these threats to sue people they're doing him no favours. Quite the opposite in fact.

So again this is English law not NI law, they're not exactly the same though similar. That said, I don't know which jurisdiction Jackson would choose to sue in. He could sue in England, because I'm in England and I've read the tweet. He might be planning on multiple jurisdictions please Santa!

This is not my field either, but there have been a couple of examples in the UK of victims/family members bringing civil cases against people when the criminal case had failed. The one against the Omagh bombers is the best known probably (they fucking did it and they can sue me if they like) and the victims and their families were successful. I think it's usually a tort law thing, as that can encompass physical harm.

The tests would be different though. The test in a defamation case is whether it's defamatory, on the balance of probabilities. Btw the defence is now honest opinion, it's a while since I was at law school so the terminology on my last post was wrong! Though generally the law change has made it harder for those bringing cases to succeed. Whereas the test in a tort case would I guess be whether on the balance of probabilities the person caused the harm. I guess it's possible the court could say something useful in judgement in a defamation case that could then be used in a different tort case where the victim was trying to prove harm caused by Jackson, I don't know if it's ever happened.

I can only speak for Scots law but defamation is a civil action for damages. It reverses the burden of proof in that it is in all other cases a pursuer who has to prove his case but here the defender has to prove his defence of veritas. (Ie what was said is true)

Agree Maryz.

I can understand that they were found not guilty of the charge of rape.

However, the content of the messages are awful. I shudder at the idea of any man speaking about my daughter in that way.

I actually have more respect today for Olding than I did during the trial. I have spoken to my son about this case- when I read Olding's reaction, I did say that I admired the guts to come out and say that, instead of grandstanding.
If both of them had stood outside the court and given that message, I think it would have taken some of the sting out of the result.

At this stage, Olding is being tainted by association with Jackson.

Paddy Jackson is sliding even further down in my estimation and I cannot ever see him playing for Ireland again.
That won't be due to a "false accusation"- it will be due to the way he has proven with his own words and actions, that he is a boor and no role model for anyone.
His own career thrown away with his own hands.

O'Riordan would only have to show on the balance of probabilities that him believing her is a belief a reasonable person could have held.

Gotcha. Thank you - Sounds fair. In that case, crack on and sue, lad. Bring it on.

Another question if you’d be so kind (I’m a scientist my legal knowledge is zero..)

IFbhebdoes take it to court to sue, isvthat a civil proceeding? If the court rules that this IS a belief a reasonable person could have had does that open up any way for the victim to seek restitution? I seem to remember the OJ case (yes yes I know America totally different) him being found guilty in the civil court on balance of probabilities and being sued for damages? Is that a thing that could happen here?

It really makes you wonder who the hell is advising these men. Surely if you were their solicitor/parent/friend you would be advising them to keep their heads down. Given, you know, the people marching in the street!!