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Just when you thought the LibDems couldn't out-crazy Labour...

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BloodyFreezing · 29/03/2018 00:13

See what they are re-tweeting:

twitter.com/LGBTLD

(Not sure how to link to the exact tweet but it's the Cole Zachary one).

There really is no one to vote for, is there?

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AngryAttackKittens · 11/11/2018 16:59

I've started to hear the kind of faux outraged comments above as the sound of a sheep bleating angrily.

VickyEadie · 11/11/2018 16:55

Them may be biologically male, but, they are women in every sense.

In what sense are they women, then? What makes them women, please?

Supasoapy · 11/11/2018 16:52

I have read this thread, bumped or not, and quite frankly I find the contents appalling. Baseless untruths, disinformation, scare mongering, and blatant hate speech.
Transphobic lies that seek to brand trans people as rapists, mysoginists, sexual deviants is disgusting.
My understanding is sex, as in male or female, is biology, and I know of not one transperson who has tried or ever attempted to access facilities or discuss biological issues. No transperson is suitably equipped to discuss periods, gynacology, pregnancy, cervical cancer, or any services that may refer to do an only services, so rape councillors or refuges. Well not as, what do you call it, a trans identified male, what ever that abomination of a string if words means.
Truth is, trans women are subjected to rape, domestic, and "normal" violence, murder, intimidation. Most trans women are uniquely qualified to understand misogyny, male privilege, and the absolute benifits of being male. Trans women choose to relinquish this benifit, and have to endure not only mysoginists but women who decry their existence.
And frankly I don't understand why??

As with the majority of slurs aimed at trans women, not one of them are supported by facts, or evidence.
The claim that men self identify as women, to access women only spaces, with the sole purpose of nefarious purposes again at women and children, surely places to much trust in the power of a sign on an unlocked door. And is also underestimating the journey and trauma that transwomen endure.
If you think you are hard done by, and down trodden, triple that emotion, and the fact that not only men are out to get you, that is the experience of trans women.
You would have thought, the sacrifices made by trans women, would be admired by women, bearing in mind, there is no choice for them. Them may be biologically male, but, they are women in every sense.
I cannot imagine any genetic woman accepting being defined by their vagina, uterus, and breasts, are women not more than their component parts, and isn't feminism about being recognised and treated beyond component parts, yet women judge trans people on the same level as that they find so offensive, and degrading. Are women not better than that? Or are women just as flawed and riddled with double standards as the men they criticise.
Take the comments of AuntyStella, unfounded comments, totally without evidence or substance.
The comment, "porn soaked".
What does that even mean?? It doesn't even make sense!! And do women not watch or enjoy porn? Do women not watch images, or sexualize man, and women? Are these critics of AuntyStella really beyond a lip biting moment at a physical stimulating image? Or are we to believe these critics are whiter than white, nuns perhaps, or Mary Whitehouse levels of prudishness? According to the comments, I would suggest neither apply.
And AuntyStella's crime? Child abuse? Rape? Domestic violence? Fraud perhaps? Money laundering?
No. Being a potential political candidate. The above list of activity by a man, perfectly acceptable, as is proven by the current Westminster incumbents. AuntyStella, oh my god, she is trans!! Oh she was chosen over a genetic woman, or over a bme candidate? Or their is bias because their was a lesbian candidate and AuntyStella was chosen instead?
The women cackling around this cauldron do not elaborate, just find and denigrate a suitable trans victim, spout lies and commit slander, then responses get shut down, as obviously the point has been made.
What has this AuntyStella done to deserve such character assassination? No response to that, apart from maybe exist! Shame on all of you, for treating this woman, in a worse manner than you will accept form men. Your duplicity astounds me. I really thought womankind was a better class if person, and you prove not. And yet, transwomen queue to confirm their status to be among and part if you, as their brain and soul is female, yet their body betrays them. They should be welcomed with open arms as their journey is one no person would endure through choice.
To make comment, defile a character, to demean AuntyStella without substance or evidence, to slam the door in the face of anyone wishing to endure their sacrifice is abhorrent and women who carry out these witchhunts are despicable disgusting creatures, who should be ashamed, and women everywhere should be ashamed to.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/11/2018 16:49

I ignored the MN etiquette post the other day, but necromancy of threads more than 6 months old definitely qualifies as poor etiquette, imo.

Trinity1976 · 11/11/2018 16:47

Weirdly, the comment about being censored what written before all the duplicates were cleaned up. I think Stella for some reason thought her posts were not being published, so kept reposting and accused Mumsnet of censorship. Not sure why she couldn't see her posts.

Although none of this explains why she has bumped an ancient thread and what she is actually talking about.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/11/2018 16:18

Bloody typical, a woman (mod Lily) comes along and politely, unobtrusively cleans up Stella's mess and the response is rage at being "censored". Because everyone needed to read their comment multiple times, it was just that important!

RedDogsBeg · 11/11/2018 16:03

I too have no idea who you are or what your problem with this thread or MN is, care to explain?

ABitCrapper · 11/11/2018 15:23

I have absolutely no idea who you are either. Just some random who resurrected an old thread to have some bizarre rant about how hateful we all are, with a load of deleted posts. Posts are normally deleted for personal abuse.....

FermatsTheorem · 11/11/2018 15:21

Crikey - talk about an own goal. This thread had quietly sunk into obscurity, but now, 7 months later, you've bumped it... in order to explain how awful people on this thread were to you. I still don't actually know who you are, all I know is you're coming across as not entirely rational and in control of your emotions. You'd have been much better just letting it go.

AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 15:05

i don't expect any of you to treat me like a human being, but please don't tell lies about me.

AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 15:03

i only saw that my post was being deleted so i kept trying

AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 15:02

please do keep up your smears. But you can see the posts were duplicates which is why they were deleted.

UpstartCrow · 11/11/2018 14:17

Someone asked if these tactics are new. Some of them are old - the threats, the doxxing and outings, whispering campaigns and divisive tactics.
Many of those were originally used by spycops. They didnt do all the damage themselves, they used to recruit.

Some are new, and the one that jumps out at me the most is using children and vulnerable people. Only abusers would consider children to be suitable foot soldiers.

ABitCrapper · 11/11/2018 14:04

Ah ok ignore me :)

ABitCrapper · 11/11/2018 14:03

All I can see is a load of deleted messages Aunty Stella - you must have typed some fairly offensivehateful messages to this load of women, eh?

GCAcademic · 11/11/2018 13:59

Lol!

RedDogsBeg · 11/11/2018 13:58

Um, what????

LilyMumsnet · 11/11/2018 13:58

@AuntyStella

i'm being censored by mumsnet - so much for free speech

Your comment was posted several times so we've removed the duplicates now and left one to stand.

Trinity1976 · 11/11/2018 13:58

Any reason for posting the same message several times?

AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 13:54

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AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 13:53

i'm being censored by mumsnet - so much for free speech

AuntyStella · 11/11/2018 13:53

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