Just when you thought the LibDems couldn't out-crazy Labour...

Women's "brain and soul", though...

slam the door in the face of anyone wishing to endure their sacrifice

Jesus - I mean, yes, women are at the bottom of the gender heap, but we are people you know! You make it sound like transwomen are saints who've given up the dizzy heights of male privilege to slum it down here with us untouchable women and we should worship the ground they walk on for that.

I don't think that's a healthy way to think of anyone - whether it's a realistic description or not (and it really isn't a realistic description)

I read 'better class of [sic] person' as being quieter.

I really thought womankind was a better class if person

This is the problem in a nutshell isn't it. We aren't living representatives of anybody's feminine values. We are human beings. Get over it.

I guess the "I fetishize women as the angel in the house and now you've ruined that for me by being people instead!" sentiment fits well with the generalized belief in stereotypes.

Shame Karen White did not transition to a better class of person, on transitioning to womankind

And these people never think about types like Pips Bunce & Travis Alabanza, do they? Are we supposed to accept them as & when they want to be accepted?

I really thought womankind was a better class if person, and you prove not. And yet, transwomen queue to confirm their status to be among and part if you, as their brain and soul is female, yet their body betrays them. They should be welcomed with open arms as their journey is one no person would endure through choice

This is an absolute humdinger of a statement: trying to guilt trip and shame women, reducing woman to a 'ladybrain' and 'soul', and NO I will NOT accept Karen White into ANY space for females with open arms and I thoroughly dispute that Karen White has endured anything, KW's victims, however, have endured appalling trauma.

Well, that was weird

Oooo someone's triggered.

And if they'd just ignored the thread it would have stayed in obscurity & nobody would have read all this stuff about 'porn-soaked'.

Oooo someone's triggered.

"The first blast of the trumpet against the monstrous self-definition of women"

I find the contents appalling. Baseless untruths, disinformation, scare mongering, and blatant hate speech.
Transphobic lies that seek to brand trans people as rapists, mysoginists, sexual deviants is disgusting.
To make comment, defile a character, to demean AuntyStella without substance or evidence, to slam the door in the face of anyone wishing to endure their sacrifice is abhorrent and women who carry out these witchhunts are despicable disgusting creatures, who should be ashamed, and women everywhere should be ashamed to.

The thing about the "transwomen woman better" stuff is that it's pretty much setting yourself up for criticism, and of a very personal and not very kind nature. Google exists, people can find photos if you have a public presence, and then you get the Clymer thread where all it takes is a good clear photo and the tone instantly shifts to pisstaking.

It's not very clever, and when it's a female "ally" doing it you'd think they'd at least realize what they're setting the person up for.

I've just read this article by Dominican feminist Raquel Rosario Sanchez: If ‘white feminism’ is a thing, gender identity ideology epitomizes it - Opting in and out of sex-based oppression is something only the most privileged believe they can do.

It gets right to the heart of why people who blur sex & gender are making women's oppression worse. Well worth a read.

Most trans women are uniquely qualified to understand misogyny, male privilege, and the absolute benifits of being male. Trans women choose to relinquish this benifit, and have to endure not only mysoginists but women who decry their existence.

I think I have a different understanding of the word 'relinquish' than you do.

I see much male privilege and misogyny from many transwomen, not all thankfully, and to be honest, am sick to the back teeth of this utter drivel about how transwomen can be better women than women.

It is giving what we might call 'genuine' transwomen a bad name and telling feminists they should be ashamed for not centring men? Pull the other one, it has bells on.

Supasoapy You indicate you know who AuntyStella is, please enlighten me as I have no idea who they are or what their problems are in relation to this thread or MN.

Further:

I know of not one transperson who has tried or ever attempted to access facilities or discuss biological issues. No transperson is suitably equipped to discuss periods, gynacology, pregnancy, cervical cancer, or any services that may refer to do an only services, so rape councillors or refuges

The you are wilfully blind or deaf or both.

The claim that men self identify as women, to access women only spaces, with the sole purpose of nefarious purposes again at women and children,

There is evidence that this is already happening and it will only get worse if Self-ID comes in.

^And is also underestimating the journey and trauma that transwomen endure.
If you think you are hard done by, and down trodden, triple that emotion, and the fact that not only men are out to get you, that is the experience of trans women.
You would have thought, the sacrifices made by trans women, would be admired by women, bearing in mind, there is no choice for them^.

What an utter load of nonsense, I could give you a list as long as my arm of TW who declare themselves to be women who have experienced nothing of the sort you claim.

Most trans women are uniquely qualified to understand misogyny, male privilege, and the absolute benifits of being male.

The ONLY part of that sentence that is true is that TW are uniquely qualified to understand male privilege and the benefits of being male and they use this and their male socialisation to their benefit against women.

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My understanding is sex, as in male or female, is biology, and I know of not one transperson who has tried or ever attempted to access facilities or discuss biological issues. No transperson is suitably equipped to discuss periods, gynacology, pregnancy, cervical cancer, or any services that may refer to do an only services, so rape councillors or refuges.

So, in no particular order:
Labour women's officer (transwoman) tweeting to say that they were sure they'd be able to get pregnant one day.

J. Yaniv, Canadian transwoman taking 16 women beauty therapists to court for refusing to do a back-sack-and-crack on their genitals, despite the women pointing out that they were only qualified to wax vulvas, and despite there being other practitioners in the area prepared to provide a unisex service.

American transactivists complaining that pussy hats on the anti-Trump march were transphobic and trans exclusionary.

Danielle Muscato deciding international women's day was an appropriate day to tweet (from a women's homeless shelter) that "Terfs" were welcome to suck their lady-dick.

That transwoman in Canada turning up drunk as a skunk and injured at a dry, women-only refuge, and suing when the refuge provided them with a taxi to a suitable medical centre.

Karen White, on remand for rape, in a women's prison, where White went on to sexually assault several women inmates, including exposing White's penis to them.

I really don't think it's a good idea to hitch your wagon to this never happens because it does, over and over again.

I cannot imagine any genetic woman accepting being defined by their vagina, uterus, and breasts

This is the wrong way round for a start. Women can have any personality, appearance, tastes etc. There is no such thing as a ladybrain or a ladysoul. The only thing all women have in common is our biology. That's what makes us adult human females.

I guess when you are used to this level of submissive deference, anything else looks like witches cackling round a cauldron.

Indeed.

''Statement from the Green Party Women's Group:
"We reiterate the sentiment of the Green Party's leaders in response to these comments from Cambridge parliamentary candidate; Rupert Read. We were deeply concerned that Rupert Read's comments could promote misunderstanding of trans issues, and of modern feminism.

Green Party Women considers feminism which excludes trans people to be an extremist fringe, with no place in the Green party, or the wider feminist movement. The feminist movement cannot succeed without paying attention to all aspects of inequality. We welcome all women with open arms, and defer to trans women in issues of particular relevance to them.''

greenstell.blogspot.com/

I guess when you are used to this level of submissive deference, anything else looks like witches cackling round a cauldron.

What a lot of overwrought poorly written nonsense. It's amazing that posters could read about the misogynistic behaviour of some of the people mentioned and write what they've just written about women on MN as if we are the ones at fault, so I'm going to conclude that in some way they have an interest.

My understanding is sex, as in male or female, is biology, and I know of not one transperson who has tried or ever attempted to access facilities or discuss biological issues.

You obviously missed Munroe Bergdorf telling women not to talk about their reproductive systems then.

And Stonewall trying to remove the same-sex exemptions from the Equality Act.