Shon Fay smearing mumsnet on twitter.

don't these youngsters know this has all been done already in the 80's?

And better. And without taking itself so fucking seriously. Get over yourselves, kids.

"All these fucking beards young men have now. They look a fright."

Oh God, Cupcake I'm so with you. If I was a young woman now I'd have no chance of a shag. Snogging all that fur would turn my face into a night beacon. No idea how young women do it.

And as for contemplating further activities, would need a strong prescription for antihistamines and steroid creams. And there are places that's not supposed to go.

It takes Blackadder and Monty Python to discuss this seriously and sensibly.

I think its important for those finding themselves blocked from Shon's tweetings.. despite having previously not heard of them.
This is the result of Terfblocker and the like.... once you have been deemed 'terf' by one account you will be blocked from seeing many accounts. Similarly many accounts will be prevented from reading your tweets, so nuanced explanations about women's concerns are contained.
There are serious questions to consider about the consequences of this.
including and especially how blocks are being used by some TRAs to spread propaganda & stoke fears.

roar at doctorcuntybollocks

Does he know he shares more DNA with a black man than with a woman? will he be appropriating the traditional dress of the snazzier african tribes? Will he start calling all his friends 'blood'? Will he start telling us about how he knows first hand the disadvantages BAME people have to work against?

Gah!

He has a lot of the same genetics as a banana.

@Wheresmyfuckingcupcake oh man I love a good beard

does he know he has some of the same genetics as chimpanzees? Is he trans species? Does he see a nice tree and think 'yeah I could hang out there, that could be kind of fun' ?

I’m paraphrasing re Eddie, but yes:

“I'm not a transvestite. I have some of the same genetics as women, so I'm transgender. When I see a pair of nice heels, I think, 'Yeah that could work. That could be kind of fun, kind of sexy.' Anyone can feel that.”

(Have never looked at a pair of heels myself and thought ‘fun’ or ‘sexy’, but maybe my genetics are flawed.)

I do wonder if Izzard's stance is down more to ambition than personal views? I feel that way about Stella Creasey too. They're both smart, how can they possibly not get it? These are ambitious people and I wonder if not accepting the prevailing religion would be too damaging to their careers for them to countenance.

Just for anyone who didn’t live through the glory that was the 80s and early 90s, that’s Adam Ant, who was seen as rather a sex symbol. It was fun and it was OK to have ridiculous hair, or wear eyeliner if you were a bloke. A straight bloke. Top of the pops was just glorious.
I just can’t imagine a pop star dressing or looking like that now without there being some kind of agenda behind it. We seem to have gotten into this ridiculously narrow little definition of men and women now where as camper says, wearing nail varnish is some kind of sex changing event.

Even in the nineties (early nineties were my teenage years) you look at various pop and rock acts and the makeup is still there. The cure, tons of makeup... even nirvana wore dresses sometimes (without being dolled up in drag, just wearing a frock, because why not.) female bands were allowed to have short hair and wear biker boots and tea dresses, or Male feminist statements. Of course the ‘frolocking In a bikini’ crowd were still there but it wasn’t as pervasive as it is now. The sexuality was very different, much less male dominated and much more into mutual enjoyment.

It’s all connected - narrower gender roles, huge backlash against women and feminism. A more toxic Male culture that is prevalent everywhere - pop culture, and now public life.

WHY and HOW did this happen?

that was regarding Mr (or Ms presumably depending on which day it is) Izzard

@LeapingLlama and @Winewinewinegin the thing is, until very recently, transwomen were welcomed into women's spaces. I've been in LGBT+ circles my whole life, and until the last few years, if someone came out to me as trans, or I met someone as trans, my baseline feeling was a warm fuzzy one of political and cultural sibling-hood. They were in the same boat as me, all gender nonconforming people together, and it was a good feeling.

The Shons of this world have overturned all that. TIMs like Shon don't want to just live quietly presenting however the hell they like, just like the rest of us. TIMs like Shon want to subjugate women. I don't know why - maybe they hate us, maybe they are insecure, I don't know. At this point I don't even know if their reasons make any difference, as we are just too busy trying to hang onto our rights to sit down and worry why these misogynistic males hate us so much.

And of course the old-school transsexuals, who everybody (both they themselves and women) knew were male, but were accepted into women's spaces with a nod and a wink - well, that's all gone now, that acceptance. When you have a hundred wolves at your door it's impossible to spot the one wolf that doesn't want to rip you apart and let him in.

Eddie is such a let-down.

1990s: bloke in a dress and proud of it

2010s: liking dresses means you have “female DNA”.

yes hypermice, I think that's part of what's so bloody annoying about this whole thing. I'm not as antiquated as some of you old gimmers , so didn't really do the 80's, but the fact that people think they're being brave and original by thinking that wearing nail varnish means you've changed fucking sex when actually thinking that just makes you totally wedded to patriarchal gender stereotypes.

what used to be so great about Eddie Izzard before he started having girl days and boy days was the view that 'no, these are men's clothes because I own them and I am a man'. Now that's brave and original.

There are other downsides. All these fucking beards young men have now. They look a fright.

Oh the 80s.... when it was totally OK for a straight man to look like this :)

What did we lose? When did we get so narrow in our gender stereotypes?

@Wheresmyfuckingcupcake yes he was apparently born in 1988 so won't remember the decades-long fancy dress party. There is Youtube though, no excuse!

Who let Vince Clarke dance though? Bless him.

Is this Faye individual very young?
How can anyone who has lived through the 80s think there is anything remarkable about a man wearing make up?

Be thank you for linking that. I just read it end to end, and Offred really does deserve a medal.

It's amazing. 25 pages of discussion with an AGP male actively AGPing on the thread and although a couple of posts towards the end delicately hint that some men have been known to fetishize women's clothing no one ever mentions the AGP. Four years ago we were all so innocent.