Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

According to a recent interview with Ched Evans, he still gets abuse from the crowd at away matches: shouts of “rapist” and so on. Excuse me while I play the world’s tiniest violin for him.

I can’t get my head around the inconsistencies in the defence’s evidence. Was it ever addressed in the trial that the woman who entered the room testified that she saw Jackson having sex with the complainant yet he testified that he did not? And both were testifying for the defence?

Had I been on the jury, I’d have been wrestling with that for a lot longer than three hours. That and the matter of the injuries and the blood, of course.

Basically what I infer from most rape cases is that "reasonable belief" means "no cast iron proof she said no".
Fucking so upset about this case.

Sashh

That's already the law. A man must have an honest belief that they have consent.

An honest belief is defined as one that a reasonable person would have held in the same circumstances.

Except rape hasn't happened here Elen. Unless you have proof?

I'll be sure to tell the families Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman no murder took places because there wasn't proof.

We could get rid of the "reasonable belief of consent"

Yes, this needs to change. Not did the rapist believe he had consent but to would a reasonable person believe they had consent.

When a man believes he can have sex with any woman he wants he has a licence to rape.

Is Ched Evans actually getting a hard time? I thought he had quite a pr machine going for him?

Someone on this thread said these verdicts upset her as much as the Ched Evans verdict. I hope like him these so called men are still getting abuse in 18 months like he is

Text not ted

Well box it I won't be forgotten by me and I doubt it will be forgotten by women on this thread and women in NI.

Your point being?

Another I believe her here.

Do elaborate LuckyMama what do you mean by facts that are missing exactly?

Did you read the ted and whats app exchanges???? What did you think of them?

Do you think if you just regret sex you would put yourself through a court case?

If so please do elaborate I would love to hear your reasoning?

The cab driver knew she was in a state and they were speaking in code.

Like you use terms like "spit roast" to describe consensual sex?

It is reality,

Get back to me in a week and we can see.

box
Why do you keep saying that

It almost as if you want it to happen 🤔

One week from now, and it will be forgotten by so many.

Oh fuck off luckymama

Imagine having sex and regretting it
And then going to have internal exams
Going to the police
Then going to court
Having your character ripped apart
Then being told your rapists are not guilty
Yeah sounds like a woman who regretted having sex

If you regretted it you'd hide away and deal with the "The Fear"
Not go through an horrendous ordeal
I believe her

Yes, there is a difference between regret and rape. There is also a difference between consensual sex between a man and a woman, and as many men who can get away with it using a woman for sex.

Consensual sex doesn't usually involve penetration causing bleeding (so much bleeding that it's still ongoing 24 hours later). Nor does it usually involve one of the sexual partners being taken home, in tears, by a third party.

If there are so many more "facts" I'm sure Luckymama (welcome to MN by the way) will tell us all about them.

I should have had a bingo card for all the cliched lines that were used throughout this trial.

It’s just another gobshite spinning an already wrung out line.

sounds like you have all the info.

There is a difference between regret and rape. Maybe be sure you know all the facts before you jump on the 'I believe you' bandwagon.

You know I really thought they had more than enough to go on.

-I believe her

• I believe the taxi driver

-The victim texts and says it was non -consensual

-She goes and get tested

-She expresses her concern that she won't be believed

• I believe her over and over again,

-The Lewd WhatsApp messaging. They way they deleted messages.

I hope they don't get to play rugby again.

It was a commenter that named her. They’ve since deleted it but I along with many others saw it. I’m not sure what the legal ramifications of publicly naming her are is reported. Does anyone know? The person is laughing their ass off about the responses they’ve had to it.

God that poor young woman was bleeding so heavily that it soaked through her clothes and was apparent to the taxi driver. How the hell can anyone think she consented to that?

Surely it is ABH anyway, regardless of consent? If he'd punched her in the face and made her nose bleed we wouldn't be arguing about consent.

Also please contact the newspaper which is divulging the victims details so they know to stop it.

zibidoo you are kidding...surely not.

I have watched the news conference held by the public prosecutions office. When they say please continue to report rape, well even the woman saying that does not say it with any conviction. The look on her colleague's face next to her is of utter despair.

I just want to thank the victim and I wish the victim could issue a statement post trial.

I thought the victim was incredible to withstand this. I hope she gets real life support.

I felt the messages were damming but I suppose we never saw all of them and there were deletions galore.

I guess I was helpful for a different outcome.