Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

Glad to hear this evening that the PSNI are pursuing the reports of people publishing the woman’s identity on social media.

why men should respect women who chase after these rugby stars etc.

Well, even if they haven't got the humanity, manners or decency to respect women one would have thought they would at least respect themselves. But clearly not. Evolution is obviously working extremely slowly in the case of these bell ends. You don't even need to think they were guilty of rape to know that these are odious individuals who should not be trusted within a country mile of any female.

"I'm saying that the image of attractive young women desperately trying to associate with men they otherwise would treat with contempt - because of their status, breeds misogyny. "

Your opinion is bizarre, @wordtothewise. You think young attractive women should not be attracted and associate with young attractive and successful men? You think that young attractive women would treat this kind of man (young, attractive, physically fit) with contempt unless they are successful/high status? Why? What do you base that on?

i think you're clutching at straws word. To suggest all women treat any man who's not successful (by your definition a rich sportsman - not my definition at all but each to their own) with contempt is offensive and completely ludicrous!

Misogyny, along with rape apologists and attitudes like yours, breeds misogyny.

Thing is, word, you can say as often as you want that they have no justification for rape. But every time you make women’s behaviour the issue you show us you don’t mean that.

So if you believe that, why are setting standards for the complainants behaviour? How is it relevant?

Here's the text of Jean Hatchet's fundraiser, for those who are interested. It doesn't commit the victim to spending the money on a private prosecution (hell, if I was her, I'd never go near a court again), but is to be split equally between her and Rape Crisis, presumably with the victim able to spend it how she sees fit.

"Women often don't report rape. They don't tell. They don't seek justice because the back of Justice is turned to them over and over again. This happened again yesterday to the complainant in the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding rape trial.

There are not vast numbers of women who falsely accuse men. There are vast numbers of women who are raped and then shower and then wash clothes and tell friends and live with being raped for the rest of their lives.

The reason is this. When women go to court as the complainant in the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding case did .... it is a Hell. She gets no Justice. She is destroyed in court. Her lacerated and bleeding vagina is discussed at length in humiliating detail for her.... but ultimately ignored. The most intimate details of her body shared with the world. And ultimately ignored. Her pain shared. And ignored.

Her texts expressing her fears of not being believed prove true. She is not believed.

This fund is a simple one. Women know the justice system is broken. The only ones who will help women are women.

This fund is a simple gesture of solidarity with her.

I will - as I did with the complainant of Ched Evans - split the funds equally with Rape Crisis and The Complainant or as we will name her for this fund One More Woman X

Donate if you wish. Share if you wish. The fund is a gesture of our love for what she endured.

Jean Hatchet And The Women Who Demand Justice For Women "

If you want to donate, it's readily googlable (we're not allowed to post links to fundraisers).

I've said several times that they do not have any justification for committing rape.

I believe her.

They should be ashamed of themselves, that they seem to believe that women are no more than a hole that they can insert themselves into. They should be mortified that, rather than having mutually satisfying sex with a willing participant, they prefer to insert themselves into someone whose name they don't even know and assume has consented to this.

This case illustrates how stacked against women the criminal justice system is regarding rape cases (I suspect male rape victims suffer similarly, though their numbers are far, far lower). I too would not encourage a friend or relative to report rape, knowing that this would be the likely process and outcome. I hope she has wonderful RL support

So, to be treated with basic respect - because the level of respect involved in not subjecting someone to humiliating physical and sexual assault is the most basic - women have to be perfect. They can’t chase after men because they’re famous. They can’t misbehave in any way. Because if they do, that “breeds misogyny” and they’re at their own things risk.
Does this work the other way, I wonder? If a young man throws himself at a women for her money, is she entitled to beat and sexually humiliate him? Would he have only himself to blame if that happened?

They are good looking, rich successful men. The fact that they are famous sportsmen makes them more attractive. But being an attractive sought after man does not entitle you to treat women badly. In fact you should be more aware of your responsibility as a role model.

Women are not responsible for men's failings.

So I saw a tweet where someone mentioned that defendants were on the stand less than a day each, but the victim a week.

Says it all, no?

I absolutely am not saying it's ok to rape them.

I'm saying that the image of attractive young women desperately trying to associate with men they otherwise would treat with contempt - because of their status, breeds misogyny. There is more than a bit of truth to this image whether you care to admit it or not.

Will donate but realistically legal fees will be nearer £40k not £5k

Well done Jean Hatchet.

*their behalf

But word you're on a thread about a rape trial where you suggest the victim 'chased' the rugby players, (which there's no evidence of) and then you go on to say men have no respect for women like this. Which sounds very much to me like you're saying it's okay to rape women in these circumstances?

The men are so lucky that you're on here speaking on there behalf.

Oh come now brandnew - are you denying that women throw themselves at successful males ? Why do these twats think they are all such top shaggers? Was she there because of her interest in rugby do you think ?

I'd like to say thank you to Jean Hatchet for setting up the Go Fund Me in relation to this case. It's a great way to show solidarity to the young woman in this case, and also to find Rape Crisis.

I did not say they had carte blanche to rape them, they don't.

Perhaps you can elobarate on how it is twaddle, and why men should respect women who chase after these rugby stars etc.

It's a victory for every rapist and potential rapist out there. Every case like this gives them more confidence that they can and will get away with it. That along with women (including myself) saying they would never report a rape under the current system and understandably so.

Rape may be 'illegal' in the U.K. but only if it's the right type of rape and if you're the right type of victim.

Yeah, apparently accusing sports men from middle class backgrounds is just too far.
And also the gathering of those bloody feminists at the court.
Tbf he's normally OK, but jesus this case has really shown me what he really thinks

Worrying as I'm in a very male dominated industry, and he is very senor. Glad to see all the other men I work with don't have that opinion.

Isn't she just objectifying them because they are successful ? They know she wouldn't touch them with a barge pole if they were scaffolders. Men have no respect for women like this.
Jesus. What a load of twaddle.
Women are allowed to go to nightclubs where celebrities might be. It doesn't mean they are "objectifying" anyone and it certainly doesn't give celebrities carte Blanche to "not respect" them, even less rape them.
Ugh.