Schoolgirls having to wear shorts under their skirts

Oh, and up skirting should be a crime no matter the age or motivation.

Personally I never wear skirts or dresses an would much prefer trousers and shorts. I don't want to lapse into choice feminism but I don't see why girls should be forced to wear skirts because many do think they inhibit play and movement. And if boys really want to wear a skirt then all power to them.

Making boys and girls uniform the same and coming down hard on sexual harassment is not an either/or option. I would like sexual harassment to be treated with the same level of seriousness as racism, this is as much for the boys benefit as the girls as well, at the moment we a training our boys to treat women badly. Trousers are much more practical for active play, try riding a bike to school in a calf length skirt. It is also cheaper for parents as they can hand clothes down between their male and female children.

Their is a wider issue here as well, trousers are ridiculous for female police officers, fire fighters etc. Having female flight attendants tottering around in high heels, a pencil skirt and a face marked in make up while males wear trousers clean faces and practical footwear is sexist. These attitudes are so ingrained in our society we can't even see it. Male and female uniforms should be the same, I'm struggling to think of an example were it's sensible that they are different. Maybe another poster can?

Ereshkigal I have heard people say this before. I don’t like them but I’m interested to understand what makes them your preference?
What is the climate like where you are? I love a light summer dress when we go abroad.

I prefer wearing skirts and dresses to be honest, and always have done. I don't think girls (or boys) should be banned from wearing them.

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LassWiADelicateAir I’m interested for meaningful discussion and sharing opinion, but ‘what utter nonsense’ seems like quite a pointless comment.

The culture of making girls responsible for boys behaviour is insidious.
‘Yes, the boy shouldn’t have upskirted you, but if you wore trousers like my dd, you wouldn’t have had that problem, would you?’

This, this, this. FFS.

My school aged DDs have the option of trousers or skirts. Thus far they have chosen skirts and like them because “they are swishy”. They don’t seem to get in the way of anything they do and they like the privacy the skirt affords them when they get changed (in the classroom) for PE.

I bought them trousers for colder weather but the eldest asked to return to skirts and tights the next day because it felt warmer.

I did this.

Dr wears shorts too. No one's taken an upskirt photo but she doesn't want people to see her pants and of course kids do snigger when people do hand stands and pants are on show.

I used to do it as it was an extra layer when dealing with periods plus my old schools didn't allow trousers for girls

Anyone who thinks they can find a pair that fit, don't itch her And don't need to have the adjustable waists pulled yo which then cause immense irritation where it's bunched and the buttons rub they are welcome to come here and try before deciding skirts should be banned. And I have tried many suggestions when I started a thread

How about we tech kids and biys in particular to grow up we all wear pants there's no need to point and laugh. And we certainly should be teaching biys to be respectful and not take photos. Sooner that's a crime the better.

If we could get rid of uniform altogether id be happy.

I like culottes.
But that misses the point.
I hijkbrather than teach girls to moderate their behaviour, we should teach boys NOT to ‘upskirt’.
The culture of making girls responsible for boys behaviour is insidious.
‘Yes, the boy shouldn’t have upskirted you, but if you wore trousers like my dd, you wouldn’t have had that problem, would you?’

DSs old school uniform was long shorts - so below the knees - and the girls had culottes. Far more practical.

I agree - I still have scars on my knees from when I fell over on the playground in 1976 and gouged my kneecaps

My son's school, like many private schools, has shorts as the boys' uniform for primary school.

Quite. And the reason we don’t suggest moving everyone into skirts is because they are so bloody impractical in the school environment

What utter nonsense.

I agree - I still have scars on my knees from when I fell over on the playground in 1976 and gouged my kneecaps.

Lass bore off yourself. Skirts aren't as practical as trousers. If they were then no one would feel the need to wear actual trousers under them, would they?

I never wear trousers. If I were still at school how would it be more practical to do a Latin translation or a write an essay wearing trousers than a skirt? But hey go ahead and limit choices for girls as opposed to making boys behave.

At my son's school they now allow girls to wear trousers - he left a while ago but I often see pupils from his school and have not seen any of the girls wearing trousers.

Sorry, such crap spelling!

There's no way I'd wear a skirt without tights anyway - I get the tube a lot and the escalators are so steep so you can see right up skirts without trying. Plus I have seen quite a few backsides bared when a train whips up a gust and flippy skirt goes flying.

And no one deserves to see my backside.

Also trousers for young girls, they can run in the more easily, climb, do handstand, protect knees if they fall over, skirts are impractical for little girls and limit there playing or at least mean they have to take their skirt into account.

Yes, the main action on this should be about eliminating upskirting, by effective SRE and effective sanction for anyone who does it.

But the idea that knickers are insufficient underwear for those wearing skirts is, unfortunately, gaining traction.

I agree with the point about just having trousers as school uniform

Quite. And the reason we don’t suggest moving everyone into skirts is because they are so bloody impractical in the school environment.

It's the same old problem with an odious modern twist isn't it?

It is a crime now though isn't it?

Unbelievable.

I agree with the point about just having trousers as school uniform, girls and boys dressed the same. Also helps solve the trans issue. Same for flight attendants etc, same uniform and shoes for both sexes.

I also agree strongly with this teach the boys about sexual harassment and punish them harshly if they do it

It isn't a crime.

Even teachers are at it.

www.the-pool.com/news-views/latest-news/2017/44/london-teacher-who-took-upskirt-photos-of-his-students-may-face-a-ban

There is a petition to get it made illegal...why it isn't already - makes you wonder about the people who make laws doesn't it?

www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/takeaction/887/239/401/

Lass bore off yourself. Skirts aren't as practical as trousers. If they were then no one would feel the need to wear actual trousers under them, would they? Teachers also wouldn't need to waste time regulating the length. My kids went to a school where only trousers were worn, no one had a single problem with it.