Schoolgirls having to wear shorts under their skirts

‘Yes, the boy shouldn’t have upskirted you, but if you wore trousers like my dd, you wouldn’t have had that problem, would you?’

Well put.

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Banning skirts seems to me to be a first step on the road to requiring girls to wear "modest" clothing

Another good point.

@noeffingifea have you ever actually worn a skirt?

Why isn't this thread in the general Chat Forum?

Skirts should not be banned though unless there is an objective reason, which there are none in a school I can think of

There isn't.

I don’t think banning skirts would stop the upskirt anyway, it would just evolve. It’s not about the actual picture it’s about the power of taking a photo that someone doesn’t consent to. They’d probably just take photos of front wedgies or down the back of the waist band when you bend over.
We can ban clothing left right and centre but until male entitlement is dealt with nothing will change.

So i don’t think the unilateral wearing of skirts by schoolgirls is a free choice or preference. It is very much influenced by our new gender culture and social pressures

Oh of course women and girls are never allowed to be capable of making their own minds up - unless of course they wear trousers.

The difference in uniforms was insulting to me because the boys got to wear warm clothes whilst we shivered but looked feminine

The girls at my son's school wore heavy wool kilts, thick tights and boots in winter and a lighter summer uniform. The boys wore the same weight of trousers with socks regardless of the weather
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This is covered time and time again on this forum - usually everyone hates it when the default option is the male option

Except in relation to clothes where there are certain posters who vehemently hate anything which they rubbish as feminine.

Which, for children at school, is trousers

Personally, I'd have 'em all in warm tracksuits in the winter and soft knee length cotton shorts and tee's (sp?) in the summer. Fuck fashion sense - this is about comfort and as little distraction as possible to learning. Tracksuits are comfy, easy to get on and off and practical. They are elastic waisted and can be 'cool' too if they can have enough personalisation (such as the year level or even the name stitched on). Hell, I'd even allow ones with hoods.

Grr, autocorrect.

Girls AT school, making CHOICES in a vacuum (as everyone knows, there’s no point making a noise in a vacuum 😀)

I was going to say about the bra strap pinging - the behaviour will change if girls are compelled to wear trousers but it won’t go away. It also then pushes the blame onto the girls because if they only got their clothing/behaviour right then these things wouldn’t happen to them. Which we all know is arse surely?

Agree with the poster who said children are being brainwashed into “boys look smart in trousers, but girls need to be wearing a dress/skirt to look smart”

It is pervasive, and carries on throughout life (unsurprisingly,given how strongly it is pushed when we are little).

I recently helped out at a school event. I was thanked officially at the event, and had to go up to receive flowers. When chatting about this beforehand, I lost count of the number of times I heard the equivalent of ‘well, we’llfinally see you in a dress then/best get your good frock out’

Umm, no. I prefer not to wear skirts/dresses. Everyone thought I was joking when I said I wouldn’t be wearing a skirt/dress, as obviously, looking smart = skirt (for girls/women) in their blinkered (and no doubt brainwashed from youth) outlook.

It’s utterly bizarre, and I don’t know how anyone thinks that girls are School are making their noises in a vacuum, oven the cultural and societal pressures and stereotypes surrounding them.

Do we still consider trousers a 'default male' option? In 2018? Deafult 'practical' perhaps, thats why women and girls adopted them and now own them as much as anyone else.

Skirts should not be banned though unless there is an objective reason, which there are none in a school I can think of.

Trousers are only the “ male option” if you view clothes as gendered

Of course they are a male default. You don't like skirts and dresses fine. Others do - stop inventing spurious reasons why trousers are so much better. And stop ignoring those women and girls who don't find trousers comfortable.

But then why should the male option be the default?
This is covered time and time again on this forum - usually everyone hates it when the default option is the male option

Trousers are only the “ male option” if you view clothes as gendered.

I don’t think i am wearing mens clothes every time i put on a pair of jeans. It doesn’t mean I am dressing like a man.

If we stopped with the mind set that certain clothes are for boys, and some are for girls, then we could just choose the most practical garment for the activity at hand.

Which, for children at school, is trousers.

How very sad but remember its the upskirters who are the problem not the girls themselves. In saying that it sounds unhealthy wearing extra layers, trousers or shorts on their own would be more comfortable depending on the schools uniform. Schools have to be tougher on this conduct.

Alot of the blazers are unisex or "default male"

Which is why they look so terrible .

If you are going to require children to wear specific items of clothing, this should not in any way be gendered, IMO.

But then why should the male option be the default?
This is covered time and time again on this forum - usually everyone hates it when the default option is the male option.

At my son's school they now allow girls to wear trousers - he left a while ago but I often see pupils from his school and have not seen any of the girls wearing trousers

I think we are so far down the gender stereotype path that skirts are no longer an option for girls in the culture of a school setting.

At my all girls school it was a complete mix of girls in trousers and in skirts (except in winter, when most of us wore trousers).

At my next school (with a much less strict uniform incidentally), it would have been social suicide for a girl to wear trousers.

I think it's entirely down to the culture of the school, rather than innate preferences for skirts/trousers.

Although personally, I'm full on anti-uniform these days, since my kids started going to non-uniform schools.

"Because in order for boys to 'objectify' girls (as a group), girls have to be 'othered' first."

That's happened long before they get to school!

miaow I agree, nothing wrong with skirts, I hated trousers as a child because they felt really tight and uncomfortable. I still hate them unless they are wide legged or stretchy eg leggings or jeans with lycra.

Why should we have our fashion choices dictated by pervy boys?

At our schools, making girls wear trousers would not be removing choice. It would merely be changing requirements. At the moment they are, sadly, required to wear skirts. And boys are required to wear trousers. No one has any choice. They still would have exactly the same (zero) choice if girls had to wear trousers just like the boys.
If you are going to require children to wear specific items of clothing, this should not in any way be gendered, IMO.
They say uniform is all about looking smart and showing pride. And hence they are teaching girls and boys that boys look smart in trousers, but girls don't, they must wear skirts to look smart.

No it's not either/or between teaching children to behave decently/to only accept decent behaviour towards themselves, and to think about equal uniforms. You can do both.

In fact, if we weren't always so keen on highlighting the differences between girls and boys (e.g. by requiring them to wear different clothes) then teaching decent behaviour would be easier too. Because in order for boys to 'objectify' girls (as a group), girls have to be 'othered' first. How better to do that than to stick them into different uniforms?!

I went to an all girls school, and we weren't allowed to wear trousers.

It was the same when my sis was there, until one of the girls decided she was really a boy. He was allowed to wear trousers. That really made me think/annoyed me.

I had chunky legs and hated wearing skirts. I don't even own one now. I do wear dresses though.

Another teacher doing it from 2008

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/teacher-filmed-up-girls-skirts-61550

going yes to everything you wrote. 'It's just a joke' drives me mad. It's so unfair. Men and boys can get away with this shitty behaviour because no one takes it seriously.

The other day on the subway, some creepy old guy kept trying to talk to me. I told him firmly not to talk to me, but he insisted on doing so. Not one person stepped in to help. We ALL need to do better at this and stick up for people we see being harassed. That includes, especially, teachers at school.

It seems that if you want people to know you’re female, you wear a skirt. If you wear trousers, people assume male.

This isn't the experience I've had with myself or DD at all.
The school I went to introduced trousers for girls around the time I left, so I really can't say about that.
At DDs first school, she was the only girl to wear trousers (no particular reason, just her personal preference, and nothing to do with boys).
Now she's 13, more girls are wearing trousers, but still a minority. Enough of them that nobody would assume they were boys.
From what I see, if you allow girls to choose, I'd say 80% maybe choose to still wear skirts.