The Sun transwedding headline

I have just watched the bit about Jake Graf and Hannah Winterborne getting married, starts at 1 hour 49 minutes in.

www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2239

It is actually very moving and I am very much supportive of them finding happiness together.

agender, exactly right. The Sun have a bad record with trans stories but this was no thought out strategy to make a point. Headline writers on that paper earn their corn from coming up with pun laden headlines - Stick it up your junta, Ant and Dock, this was just one more chosen entirely because man and tran rhymes.

They do not care about the impact of creating this as a lasting memory of a wedding but it was not done for any political reason or malice and just because it looked clever to someone bored and playing with words who probably never gave a thought beyond how clever they were. Even though they distort the English language to do so - that could almost be the motto of The Sun.

"I find the headline interesting and wonder which of the couple the Sun perceive as 'man' and which as 'trans'."

Eh, it's just a sub editor coming up with a silly pun.

I find the headline interesting and wonder which of the couple the Sun perceive as 'man' and which as 'trans'. Do they accept Jake as a man and are describing Hannah as trans or do they consider her trans and reject Jake as male. Just interesting to see if they are subscribing more to a not man = woman or looks like a man = a man sort of idea. Or perhaps man and trans just sounded funny and they don't really see either of them as the sex they present as.

Both individuals are activists and they chose to appear in the Sun so I don't feel incredibly sorry for them, although I think they were ill advised in their choice of outlet. I suspect they were expecting their wedding to be part of the pro-trans narrative and I am sure that they will also have received a huge amount of affirmation from Mermaids and affiliated organisations. I consider Mermaids to be a harmful organisation and they are it's patrons so I don't see them as innocents in this cultural battle.

Tran and wife?

The Sun living up to its usual bigotry.
They don't give a shit about trans people.
They don't give a shit about women.
They don't give a shit about many groups.

Here's the Mermaids' page on Hannah and Jake

Interesting that Jake was involved in lobbying Stonewall to include the T in their LGBT work. And that Hannah is in the military.

Sun headline was unnecessary, but completely in keeping with their usual house style. I wonder if the Sun heard about the wedding and said in advance that they would be covering it, and the reporter was invited along in the hope of getting a more positive story?

Meh - the story is nothing and I'm all for people getting on with their lives and being happy as long as noone is hurt.

But this:

I think that if you're horrified by your bedfellows on this issue, it might be time to have a good hard look at yourself and wonder why you're now on the same side...

pisses me right off. Despite the fact we are placing people in decreasingly smaller boxes with multiple labels it still isn't necessary (yet) to be replicates of each other with EXACTLY the same views on everything. It is even possible to hold the same conclusion about an issue but for differing reasons - Imagine that! So it doesn't bloody matter if you share the same views as a human with other abhorrent views (see Hitler and vegetarianism) it doesn't actually make you the same as that person because most of us are individuals with the ability to think critically and form our own conclusions.

I'm sick of reading this point of view it is woefully short sighted and, frankly, lazy thinking. So give over with this shite.

are they a "straight" couple though? I agree they are heterosexual but that does not tell the whole story.
I worry that to dismiss this as simply a straight couple, "what's all the fuss, they love each other" means being inadvertently pulled into a narrative of trans rights.

Agreeing they are "straight" without commenting on the fact that Hannah is a man and Jake is a woman feels like collusion.

The headline is absolutely grim. But they gave the Sun an exclusive interview. Red tops are red tops - they always exploit. I'm surprised Hannah and Jake didn't realise that. They've been v poorly advised

I'm the biggest gender critical person going, but this headline is cruel and unnecessary. They're a straight couple, wether or not you buy into the "transwomen are women/transmen are men" rhetoric. I can't imagine for a second they wanted to be associated with this joke of a paper

twitter.com/spikedonline/status/978610081750224897

have waded in with a defence of the truth.

Patrons of Mermaids? I say....You'd think Mermaids, being well aware of The Sun's form and reputation, would've advised this couple to stay away from the Murdoch rag for their own good. I wonder why they didn't?....

The headline is awful and if the name of the publication was covered up, we would still all be able to guess it came from The Sun.

I am always happy for any couple who find love, however they come to it and genuinely wish them every happiness.

I do have a question - if Hannah was always a woman and Jake was always a man and they deny their trans status, then how does this make them in anyway special? Surely you can’t have it both ways?

Biologically Hannah is male and Jake is female making them a heterosexual couple.
To them they were born Hannah as a woman and Jake as a man, again if that were true, that would again make them a heterosexual couple.

How do either of the above statements warrant an article?

They are both affiliated with Mermaids, they’re using their wedding as a PR excercise. Look under the curtain folks!!

Can't wait till they have children.

@HakunaDentata you appear not to understand the distinction between sex and gender so perhaps I should clarify that you might be ignorant rather than bigoted. I suggest you do some self-education via the wonders of Google.

The headline is vile. My concerns are with self ID alone, i absolutely despise any attempt to shoehorn a bit of bog standard bigotry into that. But hey, it’s the sun so I don’t expect anything else.

Agreeing with facts and biology, does not make anyone a bigot.

It doesn't specify MrsTP

But I can't help wondering if Mermaids saw the wedding as a marketing opportunity and pitched it to The Sun.

@HakunaDentata yes, I am unfortunately aware of that fact.

The couple are described as 'Patrons of the transgender children's charity Mermaids'.

As in customers or as in donors?

They seem nice and happy. I'm sure there are many other weddings the Scum would rip apart. Gay people, immigrants, whomever. Trick is to not give them the chance by inviting them.

@HakunaDentata agreeing with the words in red only doesn't mean you aren't a bigot.

Apologies if you thought I was being snide - I was aiming for 'openly critical' but obviously wasn't clear enough.