Brian Paddick asking for feminist views on Self Id

The young person responding to him on Twitter (Jay) thinks that all humans start out with XX chromosomes. Um...

I wasn't surprised at the conclusion that Ralf Little came to, he seems to be quite friendly with Jack Monroe.

*Paddick!

Was he nobbled by the TRAs after asking the question?

He was pretty gleeful about it iirc. It was more like: there, I've listened so now I've earned some kind of licence to say nasty things about you.

But I agree that there's no reason at this point to assume paddock has a similar motivation. I'm just feeling a bit scarred atm, ignore me.

Royle family chap. I prefer the Stuart Little version though

I think it's unfair to dismiss people as clueless and dismissive when they have just asked for a discussion to understand women's POV. I also think getting off twitter and discussing things is a much better way of doing things.

I think Neville Southall did the same.

Cross post with this:

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

As in the minor actor/football player?

He's got offers from;
A Womans Place
Man Friday
Critical Sisters
Posie Parker
Karen Ingala Smith
Debbie Hayton
Hope

They are all excellent spokespeople and should be able to explain the problems. He seems like most men, very clueless of women's lives so dismissive of the risks and needs.

What's a Ralf Little?

I have no idea. It could mean:

1. Brian Padick is about to star in a remake of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps.

1. @TallulahWaitingInTheRain means Stuart Little and Brian Padick is about to set off in a toy car to rescue his bird friend from a Falcon.

1. She means Rod Liddle and intends to commicate Brian Padick is a dick, but will become anti self ID.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

^^
I have a lot of time for RL but I didn’t know that. Was he nobbled by the TRAs after asking the question? I’m shocked he did that, what’s the point?

Do*

So you think he would attend a Women’s Place UK meeting?

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

I thought he implied he should have been given a place in a woman's refuge, so not hopeful.

Well fingers crossed. There's a lot of disenfranchised leftish female potential canvassers and voters about after all ...

I also think this is progress. He'll have been fed the activists line and we all know how difficult it is to challenge that.
He's asking for opinions and it sounds as if there are some good women ready to respond.

He did tweet 'I want to speak to feminists who deny the existence of trans people's which doesn't fill me with confidence that he's actually going to listen.

It's clear he doesn't have a scooby fuking doo, at the moment. Neither did I a couple of months ago. If some of the very articulate members of WPUK get hold of him, and he listens, then there is every chance he will change his mind.

The only people we want to be argumentative with are the ones actually arguing for self ID. There are lots of people who want to be inclusive and tolerant and end up regurgitating a set of phrases without really thinking about the implications- polite, respectful, constructive challenge will change their minds.

So glad Debbie answered.

He's shut down his twitter talk about it now tho-only wants face to face discussion 😒

I think this is positive, the HoL for all the justified objections do have the advantage of not being vote dependent which occasionally may allow common sense to prevail.

He did tweet 'I want to speak to feminists who deny the existence of trans people's which doesn't fill me with confidence that he's actually going to listen.

Thank you to Brian Paddick for being the first politician I've seen take an openly democratic approach to the debate.

Debbie H and Kristina would be great transwomen to speak to, and a woman's place could suggest/bring a group of others to bring a range of perspectives. It is a wide range of women (and some men and trans people too) with concerns and questions not only those who would describe themselves as radical feminists.