DV "gone wrong"

First rule of misogyny: women are responsible for men's actions.

Funny, isn't it, how it's OK to minimise the murder of women by claiming it's all down to women and their eggshell heads, but that if you referred to Jane Fae as John Ozimek, that would be "literal violence".

I don't know which makes me despair the most - their stupidity or their nastiness.

Before John Ozimek became Jane Fae, his political activism was focused on men's 'right' to make extreme violent pornography about murdering and mutilating women.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jul/01/obscenity-law-darryn-walker

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consenting_Adult_Action_Network

www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/24/extreme_pron_law_live/

And here he is advocating for 'consensual slavery':

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/16/bondage-bdsm-consensual-slavery

Oh, but so glad Jane’s put us women all right on how lethal violence isn’t the “glamorous” and “sexed-up” thing we’re all imagining in our fevered little brains.

The Newland case is interesting because on face value it would seem like an obvious defence tactic for her (or her lawyers) to have claimed transgender identity given that it's a protected characteristic.

The fact the didn't makes me think that they knew there was a strong chance of a custodial sentence regardless and didn't want to risk Gayle ending up in a male prison for sex offenders.

ah I see, the perpetrator just didn’t realise! Therefore any resulting murder is an accident. They’re just randomly hitting, they don’t actually realise what they’re doing.

Is this not exactly what the abusive men say? “I wasn’t trying to HURT you, I didn’t realise, I lost my temper/wasn’t thinking/moment of madness”, etc etc.

Nobody, nobody has been sent to jail for faking being trans

Broadly true, Susan, the notable exception being Gayle Newlands, sent to jail for “pretending” to be a man to get sex. Women will “pretend” to be trans for gain (see also the exception for inheriting peerages), but males are always True and Authentic.

No sexism to see here, no sir!

I saw that tweet this morning, it is sickening, well done to all the tweeters copying in various news outlets etc to draw attention to this vile cretins true attitude.

Holy shit. I should not be so surprised that Fae has written such misogynist, victim-blaming nonsense, but I am.

Holy shit. "One blow too many."

It's also women's fault and specifically Gender Critical women's fault that transwomen are prostitutes and are murdered. Terfs responsible for murdered transwomen.

So, to recap: We are responsible for getting murdered by men and responsible for men murdering men

twitter.com/RadFemme74/status/978006829379784704

“My defence , M’lud , is that I did a wrong thing wrongly , which went wrong and accidentally became a very wrong thing indeed , but I was drunk/don’t recall/it was an accident ..”

Literally every domestic murderer ever , so here’s right there .

I don't care what Jane's intent was. With the benefit of the doubt (and no knowledge of previous posting history) I would probably have assumed that the tweet was a wry comment on how society dismisses the death of two women every week, killed by current or former partners, as an unintended consequence of everyday violence against women.

The point is, that these women SHOULD NOT be used as a throwaway introduction to a further 22 self-congratulatory tweets making a facile straw man argument about fucking bathrooms. They are not a fucking rhetorical device.

Jane's intent doesn't matter. What matters is the contempt for these women, that the ongoing, unending procession of 'boring, pedestrian, accidental' deaths are a throwaway side-note to the actually-important point about God. Damn. Bathrooms. Fucking hell.

Cross post, Susan. My jaw hit the floor at the 'overweight middle aged woman' comment too. Fucking unbelievable, although in the context of pissing all over his family in pursuit of his sexual fantasy it kind of lost some impact, I think.

I saw someone had tagged R4 the BBC and Sky News, not sure if it was you *Badgerthebodger - nice work if so.

I've just read the articles on Jane Fae's transitioning and a bit about his background. Such an obvious and blatant sexual agenda. Honestly, I'm staggered by this - WHY is the fetish aspect so willingly overlooked? Accommodated even? I just don't get it.

Jane's treatment of their family shows what sort of a person they ultimately are. Basically abandoned his wife and kids in pursuit of his 'dream'. Little thought to the impact on them of his actions.

Also telling that in an article about his transition, Jane said he had lost 3 stone because (in his words), 'it's okay to be a fat middle aged bloke but it's not okay to be a fat middle aged woman'. So much misogyny. Also, in the TV interview with Amy Desir, he dominated and tried to gaslight by going on about how self-ID was actually great and that if people 'faked' being trans, they would now be sent to jail. What absolute rot. Nobody, nobody has been sent to jail for faking being trans and nobody will after self-ID comes in either. Always speaks in an overly calm, patronising tone to try to come across as the voice of reason against there hysterical 'cis-women'. It's so so annoying and I cringe every time he is on TV.

Jane is a vile man, this a a toxic male attitude, and people like him are the very reason women need safe spaces. Because women being murdered is usually accidental but it's fine if they're only beaten to a pulp

Did you see the defence of it?

So when everyone accused JF of minimising DV and treating it like an accident gone too far, rather than a premeditated and deliberate act, JF actually meant that the perpetrator didn't realise the consequences. Which is a totally different thing, obviously.

I have no idea why Jane gets any airtime.

Oxford graduate, male who was a broadsheet columnist and part of the media network prior to their gender transition. Lots of powerful friends in the media who are terrified of being seen as discriminatory or less than cool.

I understand and agree DeltaG. It is completely enraging.

I read that vile twitter thread with it's nasty repetitive minimising and gaslighting rant - ending up with the crass 'oh aren't I clever?' ending and suddenly understood what must have happened to the Women's Equality Party. If that's the type of contributions that are being made to their debates then it's no wonder the party is unable to represent women.

As May Angelou said "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time...."

"Do it to Julia, not to me", that's why. Nobody wants the narcissistic rage turned on them if they try to intervene, and a lot of men hate feminists anyway so probably feel like we deserve it.

@freespeechforwomen

Ok, you're right. But I just don't understand how women can be threatened with rape and physically attacked by these 'people' and no-one says a thing, but we have to be whiter than white at all times even in the face of disgusting misogyny for fear of being called the 'abusers'.

The world has gone fucking mad.

The Man Friday campaign has really got under their skin hasn't it?

Bloody women and our egg-shell skulls! Is there literally nothing we can get right?

I have to admit I am a bit afraid of twitter. It smells suspiciously like 'being owned'. There is a lot of money behind this movement and I think they are getting some perks. Is this happening on FB too? Maybe I'm just paranoid?

No I don't think so. They are both misogynistic in the way they operate. There are a lot of TIMs and sympathetic men in these organisations.