DV "gone wrong"

Isn't Jane Fae a speaker for Mermaids? That charity that supports gender diverse and transgender children ?

Toby Young has recently been booted out of two education related posts because of his unacceptable tweets objectifying women and being offensive about working class students and the disabled.

I wonder where being part of a group allegedly seeking to challenge aspects of our safeguarding laws and actively promoting BDSM and 'consensual slavery' sits in terms of being a suitable role model to influence children?? Does Mermaids allow this person to work directly with children?

Aw, Jane fae blocked me on Twitter.

I didn’t even comment

It is also worth noting that CAAN - according to Wikepedia - is concerned about the following aspects of safeguarding :
Clauses in the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 that ban people from working in jobs involving children or "vulnerable adults" if they possess "sexually explicit images depicting violence against human beings".[15] The government state that 11.3 million will have to register with the scheme,[16] although the number has been estimated by others at over 14 million.[17]
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As of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, sexual images of 16- and 17-year-olds are treated as child pornography, even though the age of consent remains at 16 (CAAN states it has no interest in tinkering with the age of consent, however they believe this change in the law to be "misguided and disproportionate" The latter quote lacks a citation.

Interesting that they wish to dismantle aspects of safeguarding laws. Now why would someone want to do that?

If this was a a piece about lynching being just a bit of fun gone wrong there would be (quite rightly) utter uproar. And there isn’t because the target is women**

Precisely. No one gives two shits about protecting and speaking for women. Those that do get shot down as feminazis/TERFs. It's frightening

CAAN is a member of Backlash, an umbrella group against censorship. Also members are Feminists against Censorship. Founded by guess who? Roz Kaveney, another TRA

They are infiltrating the government. Getting rid of opposing voices and will then change any policy they can to destroy our right to be protected It sounds far fetched but that is what I also believe is the agenda of the TRAS. They only need to get one trans identifying person into an influential role in each political party and other institutions of influence for policies to be changed against us. Plenty of men will jump on board to throw women under the bus and plenty of women will get on board to look inclusive and protect their job.

How this person claims to be a "feminist writer" is beyond me but that is the case in The Guardian bio and how described by C4 News etc. Not just "woman" that is becoming completely meaningless but also "feminist" if someone who advocates porn depicting women's murder and mutilation is endorsed as such by major organisations.

I think a simple explanation for why Fae is booked so often by the media is that he is one of the only trans activists who is willing to actually debate with feminists.

Yes, I can see that.

However, if that's all they can get, that's all they can get. Introduce the person as what they are - extreme pornography and trans advocate - or don't have them on.

Audiences are being misled even more than I had realised. There must be a way to challenge broadcasters - particularly the BBC - on this.

Right. Why isn’t this being reported as hate speech?
A poster on here was reported to the police and interviewed under caution for a gender critical, non violent post, but this blatant incitement to violence against women as a class is allowed to fly?

This just does not pass the ‘replace with black person/jew/muslim’ test does it? If this was a a piece about lynching being just a bit of fun gone wrong there would be (quite rightly) utter uproar. And there isn’t because the target is women

I am horrified by this. Please can everyone who is on twitter report this and flag to police?

Do the people involved in classifying films or the law around it get counselling? I feel a bit sick just reading what's posted on the thread, I haven't even clicked on the links, never mind watching it.

Well that run down of extreme porn is repulsive - I was quite a bit happier before knowing things like that existed in the world.

That review says it all. Fae has merely placed themselves in the most "politically in-group" which women and gays used to occupy.
They don't identify with women in any way. The hatred is clear to see from all of these TRA's. We are nothing but objects who should have no voice.

They are infiltrating the government. Getting rid of opposing voices and will then change any policy they can to destroy our right to be protected.

God that was a bit garbled!

as men like him who transgress all our societal norms. And that censorship ...

So from that review, it seems Ozimek is arguing that gays and women occupy a special victimhood status in our society when actually they're not as discriminated against as men like him to transgress all our societal norms. Who argue that censorship of films in which men torture women is wrong. We all have free choice. There is no trafficking, there is no coercion, there is no rape, there is only consent and using force to get one's way.

And murder is just domestic violence pushed that little bit too far.

And I suspect you're right @DonkeySkin.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked reading this thread, and parts of it have turned my stomach. sickening and even more sickening is that JF is being wheeled out to debate trans VS women's rights.

One thing for them to talk about trans rights, another thing entirely when it's women's rights in question. JF is clearly not coming from a place of good faith.

Do we have any recourse at all to complain to the BBC when they wheel out such a blatant misogynist to debate women's rights?

Well I'm sure IW won't turn down the exposure and is a million times better than that creep

Just a poor harmless, little, six foot three, knitting laydee.

I think a simple explanation for why Fae is booked so often by the media is that he is one of the only trans activists who is willing to actually debate with feminists. Almost all of them refuse to appear alongside anyone who has expressed critical views about 'gender identity', on the grounds that 'our existence is not up for debate'.

It's a very effective tactic as it means the issue usually ends up not being debated at all. Remember when Paris Lees pulled out of a BBC spot at the last minute when he heard that Miranda Yardley would also be there? The whole segment ended up getting pulled.

So if producers are looking for a TRA voice to 'balance' out Julie Bindel or Sarah Ditum or Karen Ingala-Smith, they are basically stuck with a choice of Jane Fae or India Willoughby.

I had no idea from what I've seen of this person that they harboured such dangerous ideas. Chilling.

Jane’s just a harmless knitting lady, don’t you know.

Exactly what I was wondering Lang. Have they been so distracted by the knitting tactic they failed to check background and think, hang on, this is perhaps not the best person to talking about women's safety, privacy, dignity etc?

DonkeySkin

How is this person (I want to type "thing" instead of "person" to be honest) presented uncritically by the media?

And Jane wonders why women might feel uncomfortable sharing single-sex spaces with him?

But does Fae really advocate for the decriminalisation of violent porn?

As far as I can tell, Datun, campaigning for the availability of extreme porn was his main area of political interest before becoming a trans activist. As John Ozimek he was a key member of the Consenting Adult Action Network (CAAN), which was set up in 2008 to:

protest and oppose laws restricting activities between consenting adults, most notably the criminalisation of possession of "extreme pornography".

The group was formed to oppose the UK Government's 2008 bill to outlaw porn of the type that was believed to have inspired the murder of Jane Longhurst. It's important to note what the bill defined as 'extreme porn' - it isn't standard bondage/BDSM, but pornography that depicts:

An act threatening a person's life
An act which results (or is likely to result) in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals
An act which involves (or appears to involve) sexual interference with a human corpse
A person performing (or appearing to perform) an act of intercourse (or oral sex) with an animal (whether dead or alive)

and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person (or animal) was real.

That last criterion is particularly chilling, I think.

This is what John Ozimek/Jane Fae devoted his energy to prior to becoming a trans activist. It puts into sobering perspective his views on domestic violence, especially certain phrases he uses to describe it, e.g. 'an eggshell skull'.