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FFS. Flagged at work for gender critical views

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ThinkingQueSeraSera · 26/03/2018 12:57

It's happening.

I'm new in a private sector company. My personal twitter doesn't mention my employer. I've apparently been flagged as 'high risk' for my gender critical views (linking to articles, carefully worded, no abusive language obviously) on my twitter feed. Boss is sympathetic but has told me to be very careful and to not ever mention at work.

We are being silenced for holding perfect legitimate pro-women views and concerns. I'm fuming and scared - both for my job and for women.

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NoSquirrels · 27/03/2018 12:22

Leaving this here for anyone reading James Kirkup’s excellent article on concerns over self ID.

If you think women should have a voice in this debate without fear of repercussion, please sign the petition and share it:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

MagneticMan · 26/03/2018 22:58

@CapnHaddock

That's a rather poignant article.

I work in the area of dementia and I can see how that would be incredibly distressing to someone who has transitioned, especially surgically.

It's setting the health services (and those who access them) up for a tidal wave of misery and confusion in future years Sad

Elletorro · 26/03/2018 22:15

Hi OP

Please join a Union. It takes 6 months to get legal assistance.

I think you are being discriminated against for your beliefs. That direct discrimination and the company has no defence. You won’t want to bring a claim in your probation period I would imagine but please know you are in a position of power here.

I’m not sure if there’s not also a sex discrimination claim there too. Again direct discrimination and again they have no defence

Take heart.

I’m on my holidays soon but back mid April and may be able to assist. Have a think what outcome you would like. I think you are in a stronger position than you realise

MrsJoshDun · 26/03/2018 21:32

But you’d have thought they’d take one look at the post and see it wasn’t transphobic and say no crime had been committed. Why waste time and money talking to you, etc?

Sarahjconnor · 26/03/2018 21:23

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MrsJoshDun · 26/03/2018 21:18

@sarahjconnor. Jesus, I remember that thread.....it was not transphobic. Can’t believe the police investigated!

OlennasWimple · 26/03/2018 21:15

This is seriously scary shit

BeUpStanding · 26/03/2018 21:09
Shock

Bloody hell! I keep thinking I'm beyond being shocked by how insane things are becoming... Thank god for MN so we can support each other.

thebewilderness · 26/03/2018 21:04

On tumblr there is an entire guilt by association thought police force that informs women that they have reblogged a post from a "TERF" or "transphobe" and failure to delete it means that you are complicit in the murder of transgender identified males the world over.

thebewilderness · 26/03/2018 20:57

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

We are being asked to accept that transgender identified individuals are not mentally ill but need to have medical care and public accommodation for their condition.
The problem with this unrealistic expectation is fairly obvious.

SophoclesTheFox · 26/03/2018 20:41

I am very, very worried that women are now being policed for thought crime.

I read Timothy Snyder's "On Tyranny" last year, thinking about the rise of the far right. But now I think about it in relation to this issue.

When we were campaiging for gay marriage to become legal, back in the day, I don't recall ever being urged to dox or harrass anyone who was campaiging against it, or anyone thinking that was remotely OK in any way. We just nodded and smiled, said "I don't agree with your opinion" (and maybe called them awful bigots amonst ourselves). We didn't try to get them fired from their livelihoods.

Shameful.

Ritzsaltedcrackers · 26/03/2018 19:27

Sorry to hear this OP.

I’ve recently applied for a job at a university that I am well qualified to do with all the right experience. I had very high hopes.

I’m FB friends with someone who works there who I think is a total libfem. She’d have been involved in the recruiting process.

I was advised today I haven’t even been short listed. Without being too outing, I had a v strong application and am amazed I didn’t even get an interview.

I’ve got a strong instinct it’s down to my GC views on FB that said woman will have disapproved of.

OldCrone · 26/03/2018 19:09

Transgendertrend website has been down since last night.

LittleRedTerfette · 26/03/2018 19:05

Well, can’t we all protect ourselves by declaring ourselves to be trans because we eg wear trousers? Where does this madness end?

Mrskeats · 26/03/2018 18:50

*Wells obvs

Mrskeats · 26/03/2018 18:50

So H G Well was right again. Now we have the thought police.
This is beyond scary now.

CapnHaddock · 26/03/2018 18:43

Even transpeople know that they're the sex they were born as:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43365446

TheGoldenBough · 26/03/2018 18:18

It is an interesting time because all the people I know who are very pro self ID are utterly dismayed and shocked that the mainstream opinion is "WTF?" rather than 'TW are W".

I have to say, I'd really love to know which of the people supporting all this genuinely believe that TWaW. Not just the ones who say it but the ones who genuinely, would stand up to lie detector scrutiny, believe it.

Sarahjconnor · 26/03/2018 17:52

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DJLippy · 26/03/2018 17:38

I think the issue is that they've never been challenged before because they just no platform people at university with differing views. This is interesting podcast.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b076zxkz

holycheeseplant · 26/03/2018 17:34

FPFW is back up.

Transgender trend website is now in maintenance mode ConfusedHmm

SpringNowPlease2018 · 26/03/2018 17:16

FPFW still appearing as normal for me?

boatyardblues · 26/03/2018 17:14

If the FPFW website has been taken down, that’s quite telling IMO. The TRAs seem quite rattled by all the recent media coverage. If their arguments don’t stand up to reasonable scrutiny and debate, that should be their problem to address. Show that what you are asking for constitute reasonable adjustments (the test in equality law) and balance the needs of all users without discriminating against other protected groups (women, religious belief, sexual orientation, pregnancy/maternity) and you’ll have no problem. Continue to shout down opposing views and trampling roughshod over other groups who enjoy equal protection in law? Then don’t be surprised if you get pushback. Respect cannot be compelled and it is stronger if it is earned.

Oblomov18 · 26/03/2018 16:29

Do you not think this thread should be moved to 'employment' topic, to get an employment lawyers view in it?

Terfragette69 · 26/03/2018 16:23

How can anyone tell who is who on mums net? What are we going to do about this? Fuming!

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