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We need a TRA support group

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0phelia · 25/03/2018 21:12

I have delved into the dark underbelly of Twitter and so have had the "privilege" to come across some proper trans activists.

Some gems including someone who really believes women cannot tell the difference between men who say they're women and women. That it's "gaslighting" of me to suggest anyone can tell the difference.

And another tra lecturing me how transmen have the exact same physiological structure as men (because taking hormones) so he really cannot understand how transwomen should be excluded from women's sport. "Arm/leg lengths differ between people I have short legs = therefore all men should be included with women in sport" because artificial hormones.

Other gems... I have cis privilege because I think transwomen with penises should be seen as a type of Man... (let's just say I reject cis anyway and my years living as a prostitute is it really seen as a privilege?)

I'm not sure what sort of social media conversations you are all having but it is horrible being a GC feminist out there!

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picklemepopcorn · 02/04/2018 20:15

I saw her escalator comment. Pah.

VanGoghsDog · 02/04/2018 20:07

@picklemepopcorn

Thank you.

It has calmed down. I replied to Paris Lees on something.

twitter.com/parislees/status/980091878728241152

Fecking escalators!

I have a Twitter account in an old online name I used. Don't want to cross ref here really, though can nc here of course and have done already due to this.

I don't use FB for this at all.

picklemepopcorn · 02/04/2018 19:20

Can we help, Vangogh? If you point us to a thread, we can join in.

picklemepopcorn · 02/04/2018 18:11

I agree,OK. I have two accounts, one with friends on and one anonymous one. I comment with the anonymous one. I don't use my other one much at the moment. I share sensible moderate articles on FB to reach friends. It's a gradual process, i think.

I hate the underlying anxiety that I'm going to post with the wrong account, thouGh!

picklemepopcorn · 02/04/2018 18:08

Would you like a strong Ginor a large Wine, Van Goghs dog?
I've been out having a look today, making the odd comment. Makes you want to shower, afterward. Grubby.

Hope you can ignore and relax, for a while.

okMaybeIAmATERF · 02/04/2018 17:30

It's a bit of a Catch22. Right now, so many people have bought into the #transcult view of things, often without really thinking about it or knowing anything about what's going on, that it's difficult to say anything gender critical without people reacting in horror.

I've liked and retweeted too many gender critical tweets given that my twitter account is identifiable as me and links to my professional identity: I'm thinking I need to share some more kitten videos and then back away slowly, maybe creating a non-identifiable id.

Except that if that's what we all do, how do we expect all those pepole who are just assuming trans is the next thing to be liberal about to see the dark side of it? I'm really torn about where valour is the right thing and where discretion is the better part of valour.

VanGoghsDog · 02/04/2018 17:15

Oh, and I've been locked out once too. Not sure what that was about.

VanGoghsDog · 02/04/2018 17:11

I'm having a horrible time on Twitter today. Just saying.

Transpeaked · 02/04/2018 09:23

Also - it comes to something when I have yo namechange talk solely about this issue and ensure my Twitter doesn’t have anything that could out me IRL. My partner is a civil servant and I’m worried I’d cause him professional issues.

Transpeaked · 02/04/2018 09:04

Oh FFS

Oxford Collins
Mirriam Webster

Transpeaked · 02/04/2018 09:02

I had an individual try to convince me that the definition of sex and gender in the Ixford Collins’s and Morrison Webster dictionaries were wrong. The person in question said - I paraphrase - well, that’s your definition in your dictionary. I had no idea we all have our own personal dictionaries - language has become meaningless. It’s not often I’m lost for words, but in this case I was. It’s impossible to have a conversation with someone who utterly denies reality - reminded me very much of my abusive past relationships.

Pywife2 · 02/04/2018 09:01

I guess what I find so disappointing? Distressing? is that so many people outside the TRA bubble won't question the dogma and that the ideology has been allowed to get such a hold among our legislators. They are the people I mean - the ones being paid to represent us. They simply won't question this stuff. Everyone accepts it at face value and glosses over what these phrases really mean, but they should not be doing that when it comes to legislation that affects half the population.

David Davies is getting all this abuse just for facilitating discussion about the issues. This is chilling stuff. Truly Orwellian, as so many people have said.

Until I looked at it further, I thought I maybe didn't understand something complicated about biology that meant trans women really are women, but when you do try to get at what that could be, the TRAs won't discuss it in any detail and they betray that they are downright ignorant about science 9 times out of 10. Then they start hurling abuse if people persist with rational questions.

I don't really have a problem with them being a cult, even a misogynist one, but how come they're so mainstream all of a sudden, with the political and chattering classes anyway, and what happened to freedom of speech?

ReluctantCamper · 02/04/2018 08:52

I've wondered about that MaybeDoctor. But this seems to have come from twitter, so that platform is influential...

However I've had to step away after brief forays on there. when someone starts telling you that you literally want to kill transwomen (I really, really don't), you kind of realise there is zero point talking to them.

MaybeDoctor · 02/04/2018 08:41

I am not sure that twitter is the way to do this. It is the equivalent of stepping onto the floor of the coliseum as a protest against gladiators. You either get overwhelmed or have to fight so hard that the virtue of your point is lost.

The key to this is parliament and influencing parliamentarians. It is MPs and Lords who will or won’t make this into law at the end of the day.

picklemepopcorn · 01/04/2018 21:53

So we had penis envy? I've envied the better job opportunities, respect and entitlement that come with a penis but not the penis itself.

They now have womb envy. Bizarre.

invisibleoldwoman · 01/04/2018 20:25

20th C not 29th Blush

invisibleoldwoman · 01/04/2018 20:15

@picklemepopcorn I think you are right. I remember being told that feminism was just penis envy back in the mid 29th C. But I’ve been remembering that recently and thinking how now it’s obvious projection!

picklemepopcorn · 01/04/2018 18:25

I've commented there a bit, too. Nasty.

gingergenius · 01/04/2018 17:20

I've just replied to a post about that @IntelligentYetIndecisive - the verbal nastiness is shocking!

picklemepopcorn · 01/04/2018 16:48

No, it didn't kick off after all. There were other well known people there. Thank you, though.

MsMcWoodle · 01/04/2018 13:29

pickle - anything anyone can do?

picklemepopcorn · 31/03/2018 22:46

Just been and locked down my FB after commenting on a potentially volatile post.

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AreYouTerfEnough · 31/03/2018 16:16

I’m not on Twitter so 🖕🏼to the misogynistic TRAs