We need a TRA support group

It's gone very quiet for me now, I think I've been blocked by everyone except the rain crew! Oh and helen mermaids (lucky me). She makes me grind my teeth.

Leaping straight into the shark infested waters of full on anti trans- ideology is a bit terrifying for your average, non confrontational person.

Yep. I engaged in conversation with one who was attacking a WP speaker.

I came out knowing how Edward Woodward must've felt when he landed on Summerisle. 😂😂😂

ha ha i feel the same way i watch funny dog video to balance the TRA crap... they so want MN taken down

It is, but I think we still should respect our own truth.

All the on the fence people seem to respond best if you meet them where they are, and let them go deeper into GC when they are ready. Leaping straight into the shark infested waters of full on anti trans- ideology is a bit terrifying for your average, non confrontational person.

I'm generally gently challenging daftness where I see it, and hoping drawing attention to the illogic will make someone notice. Also, that maybe a few likes and retweets will hearten those at the front of the fight. The attack on Jana was appalling. I want to encourage Sophie Walker to be gender critical, too.

But I may well be wasting my energy.

I agree about TW, ereshkigal. I use it out of courtesy to refer to those I 'know'.

In the abstract it is definitely TIM.

I've said before, that on Twitter you have to contend not only with woke male allies who are often horrendously misogynistic but also your bog standard chauvinist who likes to have a go at women any chance he gets. And criticise anything he perceives as special treatment for women, like AWS. The fact that he also thinks trans issues are nonsense notwithstanding. The chance to put down women generally will win out, as he gets a thrill out of it.

I alternatively want to cry and hide under the bedclothes and go out all Amazonian and blazing.....

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE HAPPENING IN MY LIFETIME, OR AT LEAST FOR US IN THE WESTERN WORLD.....

I can understand the fury and tantrums of the GRA ... What I can't understand is WHY people pay any attention....WHY they have taken such a hold SO fast on serous institutions and our culture....

HOW are people not calling out the Emperor's lack of clothes?

And I keep believing this will happen soon

Thank goodness for all of you....

Honestly? I don't think the ones that genuinely want to be women (transexuals) hate us.

It's the AGPs - who fetishize womanhood - they really hate us. ANd the good old fashioned misogynists are happy to join in with the abuse against women.

i have been called a 'cockroach' on fb for saying something about women's spaces being for..women.

it is all they can do, resort to aggressive insults, because they don't have ...you know, fact or science on their side.

I did just laugh and shrug it off but these people are seriously nasty.

What i dont understand, is if they hate women as much as some of them seem to....why do they want to be pretend women?

It's utterly bizarre.

I do have a transexual friend, but she is not one of these aggressive young ones who just seem to want to insult women.

But it's horrible. I saw one person complain about my comment to someone else, in a 'woe is me' kind of way, because I'd used Trans Identifying Male.

I just shrug that off. Otherwise I am compromising my own beliefs in a way that makes me deeply uncomfortable. I won't do "trans woman" as I said on your other thread. It's Orwellian. And it does women no favours at all.

I do wonder if the twittery goading is a rather effective (accidental or deliberate) way to take up energies... there's likely much more to be gained by getting discussions started away from it. One of the most active of goadytwits commented 'this is all about those who are sitting on the fence, some activists don't realise this'.

I've had a few likes. You can see how it gets compulsive, and draws you to express yourself more outrageously!

But it's horrible. I saw one person complain about my comment to someone else, in a 'woe is me' kind of way, because I'd used Trans Identifying Male.

Is there room for a not so little one?

I attempted a weekend of retorts. I got called a monster and a disgraceful human being by a man for saying that TIMs were simply a sub category of men.

Then I got hammered by telling one Tweeter that his consistent use of CIS was offending me, and it just ended up in a cycle of him repeating the same useless fecking definition to me.

Not been called a TERF yet but I am ready to respond calmly on that one.

I gave up.

The only light in the tunnel was having a few tweets liked by Peachy and a few others. Made my day turn around, that.

Yes, MN does seem to be under an organised attack - I've just checked out their Twitter feed.

I've namechanged away from terfy nickname because of this.

It's really concerning.

I think we need to boycott anyone who boycotts Mumsnet.

Twitter is basically a cesspit.

I've just been on twitter again... there is so much misinformation and partiality out there, it's hard to know where to start. It's like speaking a different language. I'm blocked from a couple of people, but I've always been very courteous in my speech. I just don't agree on a lot of things. I think a certain group are only there to bolster each other's opinions and self esteem, there is no critical thinking at all.

Also, a concerted effort to control search results and so on. It's harder to find information which is critical towards trans ideology, and skewed news articles pop up when you search violence against women.

It's a serious serious worry. But in the real world I find most people are actually pretty sensible. What on Earth is going on, when the policy and political cart is so far ahead of the public opinion of the horse?

I saw reference to how amazing 'trans twitter' was and I really think this is right at the heart of all that is terrifying. Twitter has been 'weaponised' to incredible effect. Society is being shaped/distorted in ways we have yet to realise the full extent of. The 'whistles' went off to go after Mumsnet a couple of weeks ago... there is the most staggering amount of manipulation, bullying and control. Propaganda is pumped out and laws designed to protect people who are transgender are being used to shut down any source of questioning be that an individual or platform. I don't think its any coincidence that Mumsnet has been targeted since James Kirkup wrote in a piece in The Spectator :
"How did we get here? How can it be that in modern, democratic and free Britain in the early 21st Century, women are frightened to meet or talk about law, politics and society? Don’t we have institutions and, more important, social norms that say this shouldn’t happen, can’t happen? Shouldn’t this stuff get the attention and interest of politicians who are supposed to listen to all the different strands of public opinion, and ensure that everyone gets a chance to speak and be heard?

Bluntly, why the hell is no one in politics shouting from the rooftops about this stuff? We’re talking about people trying to put the frighteners on Mumsnetters, for goodness sake. In any other area of public life, politicians usually fall over themselves in their rush to speak up for middle-class working mothers. Yet the politicians who were desperate to talk biscuits at Mumsnet Towers are curiously silent about the intimidation that some women now report there."

How better to stop politicians engaging than by shutting down Mumsnet or by smearing it (just as women have been vilified as 'terfs', 'bigots', 'anti-trans', 'hate-filled' 'nazis'?

It's horrible out there. Absolutely vile. Someone pass me some nice shower gel so I can scrub myself clean again. And some mouthwash. Please.

I don't know where to start with twitter- the delusion, the spite, the aggression. It's like Social contagion. They accuse us of hysteria, but really they seem in the grip of a mass delusion.

They are tweeting tesco etc about boycotting MN sponsored products, asking if tesco wants to be associated with such a transphobic website.

I'm going to retreat from the field and wrap myself up in warm towels and gibber for a while.