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Remember the Girlguides thread? We have our first success!

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AgnesBadenPowell · 25/03/2018 12:08

A few weeks ago I posted here and in AIBU about Girlguiding UK and their transgender policy - I'm a leader. I'm also using the App so can't link to the threads but will come back later when I'm on a laptop.

I did not expect such a large response - over 800 posts in all. The support has been amazing. Via those threads, some people made contact with me and another leader and bravely agreed to speak out about their concerns.

We now have a story published in today's Sunday Times! This couldn't have happened without your support, input and encouragement. I'm grateful to everyone.

The only downside is the original article was heavily edited at the 11th hour to make way for other stories. Lots of other points and quotes were cut out. I made it clear to the reporter that I love Guiding and it was a tough decision to be publicly critical. I was also clear that GG's policy, however misguided, was written with good intentions. This was all lost in the editing.

The important thing is the message is out there now and GG will have to do something.

Do also check out the comments - lots of common sense and reasonableness. If we can demonstrate that there's lots of interest then we have more chance of a follow up so please leave comments if you can; I plan to stay in touch with the ST.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-swap-boys-spark-guides-revolt-wtcv7xjk5?shareToken=772e2cb2a2f2c493cf7fdcdbc245ab9b

I'm off to name change and then go to lunch but I'll be back later. Thanks again

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TerfsUp · 25/03/2018 15:20

Massive safeguarding and consent alert

Absolutely.

LineysRun · 25/03/2018 14:56

the organisation forbids leaders telling parents

Good that this was the second sentence. Massive safeguarding and consent alert.

DontCisgenderMe · 25/03/2018 14:54

Well done! And lots of supportive comments too.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 25/03/2018 14:51

Absolutely fantastic. Thank you.

woman11017 · 25/03/2018 14:47

CongratulationsSmile and thank you Agnes

LittleLebowski · 25/03/2018 14:47

What a result AgnesBadenPowell. Excellent article, though shorter than you hoped, and very sensible, supportive comments. Well done.Star

DarthArts · 25/03/2018 14:45

Agree - great work 👍

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 25/03/2018 14:41

Brilliant work!!! I love that people are finally having their eyes opened thanks to the fantastic and courageous women who are speaking out and doing it so well!!

FlorenceLyons · 25/03/2018 14:32

Well done, Agnes. Thank you Thanks

CapnHaddock · 25/03/2018 14:24

Well done Agnes - great work!

AngryAttackKittens · 25/03/2018 14:21

Good job! I think it will be the danger to children element that shuts the TRA nonsense down in the end, once average parents understand what it means for their kids.

RogerAllamsFangirl · 25/03/2018 14:17

Have used this article to Peak trans my MIL and FIL

UpstartCrow · 25/03/2018 13:30

Great article and comments, its such a relief to hear the issue discussed without any of the usual seething bile. There have been nearly 50 new signatures to the petition this morning, and some of them are down to this article.

TerfsUp · 25/03/2018 13:28

We offer a bespoke guidance service = We've got splinters on arses from all this fence-sitting.

DNAnotGRA · 25/03/2018 13:24

One small step on the road back to sanity, at least that is what I am hoping for!

InLoveWithDavidTennant · 25/03/2018 13:19

Fantastic! Well done Flowers

SardineQueen · 25/03/2018 13:19

Great job!

The fact that GG also says that any girls who do not "identify as" girls need to be signposted towards different organisations is grim as well.

No-one has asked women (as a group) if they even experience this concept "a strongly held internal sense of gender" (as stonewall describe it). They assert that the vast majority of people have this, that a small number of people don't but this is rare. Thread on MN some years ago there was only 1 woman out of ?couple hundred who said they had this feeling. No-one has asked women. If GG genuinly say that all who do not have a strongly held internal sense that they are a girl has to leave, how many will be left?

I have still yet to see anything around this that is not related to stereotypes - most girls will understand this (if they push it) as "this is an organisation for feminine boys and girls" which is a shocker as it's always been a highly feminist org - centering women and girls as it does - or at least, did.

titchy · 25/03/2018 13:17

You will be assimilated.

Grin

Well done agnes!

Elendon · 25/03/2018 13:16

Much respect to you and much love.

Thank you so much!

I just am in awe of younger women doing this. It's so uplifting to know that the younger generation are willing and able.

xx

HermioneWeasley · 25/03/2018 13:14

Well done OP, this will be harder and harder for GG to ignore

FeministBadger · 25/03/2018 13:13

Absolutely fantastic - such a wonderful effort and eminently sensible too so very shareable. Thank you for speaking out and I hope this makes a difference.

KerplunkChampion · 25/03/2018 13:12

Well done @AgnesBadenPowell and you got some brilliant comments too.

PlectrumElectrum · 25/03/2018 13:09

Well done 👍

Do you have a copy of the original full article? Reading it did feel as though there was information missing - would love to read the full intended article.

PositivelyPERF · 25/03/2018 13:07

We offer a bespoke guidance service

You will be assimilated.

SmurfOrTerf · 25/03/2018 13:04

well done.
We offer a bespoke guidance service
FFS

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