Deaths of women and transwomen (may be distressing)

Is this the extent of their argument?

sane person: "Maybe we should wait for all the facts before jumping to conclusions?'

TRA "Transphobe"

It is ridiculous, it really is.

Very sad and my condolences are with the victim and her family.

The language Jane uses when describing women is very much male language- women are “squaking” and have silly stunts - blaming and seeking to demean and trivialise us - nice!

Why do Jane, Lily et al refuse to name the problem and acknowledge that it is male violence?

If you want to make TRAs angry, make fun of them!

@TerfsUp No, no it's fine. Looking back at it now, I feel I took it a little too far. I just let my anger get the better of me. In a way, I did stoop to their level, but don't worry about it, you didn't make me uncomfortable at all. :)

AutumnStar93 I am genuinely sorry if I made you uncomfortable. It was not my intention and I apologise, too, if I made you feel bad.

@TerfsUp You're right, I apologise. It just made me really angry, is all. I'll be more careful in future.

Of course LM isn't tweeting or outraged by women's deaths as HE/SHE DOESN'T REPRESENT WOMEN... no matter what he/she thinks.

Am tempted to suggest that LM represents only LM but if generous I would suggest they represent trans women and trans women only.

Real women don't come onto the radar and if they do they are seen as TERFS if they dare to suggest something he/she (oh fuck it...HE) doesn't agree with.

I am not the language police not do I want to be but I am dismayed to see the use of "truscum" and "Ne-c**ts" to describe TRAs. I deplore it when TRAs use this kind of language and, to me, that abhorrence goes in both directions.

Let's not stoop to their level.

JF used some lovely misogynist language in that tweet. ManFriday has really upset the TRAs

Surely this shows exactly why trans people do not belong in Women's posts, and should in fact have their own?

These men will stop at nothing to attack women. They even take the murder of a transwoman (probably a prostitute) and claim women are to blame.

They are hideous misogynists.

We see you.

This murder was an example of male violence.

Fear of male violence is the reason for the Man Friday movement.

That is odd, NotTerfNorCis. This is the story that is exactly in their wheelhouse.

I read it last night and was horrified by the response. Instead of just commenting how dreadful it is it was used as a score pointing exercise.

I thought the LM tweet was awful too - it's not like this was a historical crime stat, this is a person who has just died and whose family and friends are still grieving.

I thought it was terrible not to offer condolences or even acknowledge that this was an actual human being who died, but instead to say 'someone died and it made me feel really scared for myself'.

Completely clueless.

Lily and Jane both claim the media ignored Hersi Hersi's murder. It's a lie:

BBC

Daily Mail

Evening Standard

Get West London

Attitude

The Sun

Strangely I couldn't find it in the Guardian.

Do they really think every woman murdered has full media coverage

That's true - I think there were 3 or 4 murders of women just in one week a few weeks ago in a week and there was little coverage.

I think there were also other murders of men and children (stabbings) that get very little coverage - especially in places where such events are more common. 26 knife deaths this year - 6 teenagers and many from the black community. Mainly in London

@beerin, all their accusations are in fact admissions of their own motivations.

One could even think that Lily & Jane actually welcome the opportunity that Niami’s Death brings for their advancement of the perpetual pissing competition they are in.
The fact the Jane said we were ‘self obsessed’ in her tweet would be laughable if I wasn’t truly shocked by how unreflective they actually are.

Madigan has blocked me.

I am even more cross now that I have read the JF tweet. How dare they use the murder of someone as a means to score cheap points. Do they really think that this is just being ignored because the victim is trans? Do they really think every woman murdered has full media coverage?

Someone has died and all they can do is make it about 'me, me, me'

As others have said, I don't see Madigan and Fae weeping and wailing and rending garments about crimes committed against women.

If you want an ally, be an ally.

Yes, I think Jane Fae got in first and Lily, as ever, was jumping on the bandwagon.

A 24-year-old man has been charged with this horrible murder. Additionally, a 17-year-old girl has been charged with aiding an offender. The victim was out as trans. It seems, as said above, they were all known to each other. So unlikely to be a transphobic hate crime.

I tell you what and I don’t know about you, when I go out a-murdering I always listen to Radio 4 first to see who to target.

Male violence will never be tackled whilst this constant trans rights over women’s rights agenda is pushed.

Jane Fae getting in on the act too twitter.com/JaneFae/status/977520480272908288 Disgraceful behaviour

L Madigan should keep up the tweets like that as the more there are, the more Madigan digs h** political grave.