The Deptford People Project and the impact of self-ID and transactivism on working class women

They’re changing laws by stealth through powerful lobbying that will affect how women’s issues are funded and talked about and regulated for - nosqurrels

aha i think this is it tell me more

declare yourself a woman and get what advantage ? we dont have many.

if we are an oppressed sex then what is the benefit to men?

It’s not a benefit to all men.

It is a benefit to certain marginalised men - feminine men, who are oppressed by the male gender stereotypes. They don’t conform to male expectations and so they’re less successful in society, more troubled by mental health etc

They transition so they can become “women” where they no longer need to conform to macho patriarchal norms. They then over-identify with feminine gender norms that are actually a bit oppressive and insulting to women. Because we’re socialised to be accepting and nurturing for years we’ve welcomed people with gender disphoria into our female communities.

But now they’re transplaiing to women that they’re the most oppressed now.

A trans person is way more likely in the current climate to climb to the top of an all-woman shortlist than a biological woman.

In sport the situation is clear.

Trans people dont want to have third spaces - which is the logical thing. They want to be accepted wholesale as their identified gender.

They’re changing laws by stealth through powerful lobbying that will affect how women’s issues are funded and talked about and regulated for.

He doesn’t need to put on a dress. No surgery needed. No hormones.

light - i understand the premis of the argument - my question still stands

a man puts on a dress and gets a promotion over me? not anywhere i have worked would a man in a dress not be looked at sideways ( whethr that is right or wrong)

what advantage do they get - and conversely how does this affect me

can't see how that affect me or my rights as a woman

custardo:
"i am still struggling a little if we are opressed, what tangible benefits do men get and...AND what then disaddvantages us"
Asdoctorcuntybollocks says earlier in this thread, "Men who identify as women aren't treated as women - they're treated as very special men."

Also: 53rdWay nailed it. Yes.

Also have a look at how people are treating a. Men and b. Their trans equivalent in certain situations.

E.g. Male prisoner in for sex related crimes = hated. Become trans and you are a freedom fighting hero covered in the Guardian and with a support group cheering you on.

Or e.g. If a bloke shouted at Rose McGowan while she was talking about her abuse for not thinking about HIS experiences, he would be vilified. Let alone what would happen after allegations of him abusing underage girls came out. Yet same bloke with long hair and saying he is a transwoman gets a lot of people on his side.

Plenty more of these egs once you start looking.

again ifonlyus - its a bit niche

stick on a dress and things are great for you...why?

and then conversely why /how does this affecct me? or dd?

yep seen the psort argument - doesn't affect a lot of women tbh

how it is going to affect me - my daughter?

if we are an oppressed sex then what is the benefit to men?

I've read a blog of a man identifying as trans which stated that they failed at being a successful man so they decided to transition to a woman so they could be the top of that group. It was linked to from on here.

I guess that's one reason. It's not unusual in human beings to opt out of something you feel you fail at before it rejects you.

Custardo, some people think it is sexuality similar to Grayson Perry’s.

Though he considers himself to be all man.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/23/grayson-perry-my-greatest-sort-of-sex-dream-was-to-be-a-housewif/

autogynephilia - yep i read the other thread 'break it own for me' which was really enlightening.

are cross dressers who wear a dress for kicks threatening womans rights

you say yes

i'm asking how - on a wide scale
for instance

if you prefer a woman doctor/nurse - i do for a smear for instance. this affects us all i would guess to some extent - this certainly would affect women of certain religeons.

now would a law change men i could not request that i have a woman who has never had a dick doing my smear ? it this what it means?

any other examples

Sorry - I meant to make the point that what is in it for men is 'being better'. A man who is mediocre against other men in terms of physical performance can often beat women easily. It's happening a lot in sport.

It is a great question.

There was a sad article with a pre-activist Paris Lees about her awful dad and the way she felt from early childhood on and people’s reactions.
I am sure it was genuine and truthful.

It didn’t answer custardo’s daughter’s question though because she didn’t disclose intimate details about sexuality (how could she? Why should she?)
So it is quite mysterious to me.

i still dont think there is an answer here . not one that i understand in a context that would affect womankind

BUT i go back to my daughters question

if we are an oppressed sex then what is the benefit to men?

custardo Google autogynephilia. Do it yourself before mentioning to DD btw and beware nsfw.

Plenty of men have a lot to gain from making single-sex spaces for women not exist any more. They don’t need to be trans for that.

Also, a certain type of men who consider themselves enlightened and progressive are absolutely relishing the chance to take out all their misogyny on a group of women it’s deemed ok to hate. See: fucking Twitter.

I don’t like that at all (just in case anyone cares). Can’t even type it.

You get to be ‘brave’ etc

I think it’s that transwomen consider themselves the least privileged identity group and therefore their needs come before everyone else’s. That’s identity politics.

if we are an oppressed sex then what is the benefit to men

"Failed" men - I like this new trancel label some of us are using - get to lord it in the woman box instead of failing in the man box. It's the patriarchal urge to control.