How do I fill in this form about ‘gender identity’?

As I said before, I don't know what 'work in the same/different gender role' could possibly mean. Other than that whoever asked the question actually believes we should still think in terms of 'men's jobs' and 'women's jobs'.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen
Do transwomen out of college get paid 20% more than cis women?

Honestly, honestly, honestly, I calculate the gender pay gap for a living.

It's the SEX pay gap. SEX is the protected characteristic. We can't count 112 gender expressions, that's nonsense. We count SEX.

I love how 53rdWay thinks a passing trans woman comes out college and goes for a job and the employers goes your gender is female but your birth sex says you where wrongly assigned male at birth. Your sex organ gets you 20% more money.

People it's the Gender Pay Gap not Sex Pay Gap. As feminists we have been fighting the Gender Pay Gap for decades.

Orange you're wrong and you're a big stirrer.

Inclusion got added on to Diversity in HR starting about ten years ago, they all use the same old Stonewall script.

Ooh and look what I just found: hurrah for Wikipedia!

'Socially constructed gender roles are considered to be hierarchical, and are characterized as a male-advantaged gender hierarchy.'

So by engaging in a survey using the language of gender roles, don't you automatically comply with male advantage/female disadvantage? Is this really a hierarchy a work place should be enforcing? And what if you don't agree that anyone choosing a female gender role should be disadvantaged? Or can you 'opt out' of your female disadvantage as soon as you tick the 'male gender role' box, and female disadvantage is a preference/masochism thing?

sex is body parts and unimportant to how you feel and present.

Well if I present with no bra and top on it certainly seems rather important. I feel a bit yuck because my female body parts are doing their female thing, wearing trousers doesn't seem to identify me out of that?

Oh yes, if I get a new birth certificate it will be ok. This is the modern solution not like back then. When was back then exactly?

orangepie do you really actually believe that nonsense?

orange
So how would I, as a clinician be able to tell how a baby feels about their gender?

If all record of a person shows them to be “female” (when they are anatomically male) because of how they identify, how do I then account for differences in serological results and also for that matter when it comes to prescribing medication?

S0ph1a wrote - "I wasn’t assigned a gender role at birth"

Everyone is assigned a gender role, more accurately a sex role (behaviour expected by society for each biological sex) at birth, based on the person's observed (or very rarely, assigned) biological sex. Whether or not someone does the behaviours or not is another matter, but the person's conformity or non-conformity does not mean that gender role was not assigned at birth. Gender role is not biological sex. Gender role is not gender identity (which is how masculine/feminine/male/female you feel and therefore allegedly "are").

Biological sex is observed at birth for male and female people with unambiguous sexual characteristics. The very small number of intersex people are assigned a biological sex shortly after birth. Intersex is very rare. Intersex is not transsexuality nor transgender.

Orange

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines gender roles as "socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women"

Please could you point me to the UK society defined appropriate behaviours, activities and attributes for women? (And who is in that society and how did they work out which went with which?)

Who polices them?

What happens if some of my behaviours, activities and attributes aren't deemed appropriate by these standards?

@orangepie
There was no doctor there when I was born. There was no doctor there when my mother was born. There was no doctor there when I gave birth to my two kids.

Should I pop down to the GP and ask for us all to be assigned?

Go to HR about this missing option? I work in HR and trust me, we all laugh at this pomo twaddle.

orangepie, what is your agenda?
Seriously, what is it that you are trying to achieve?

Sex is a biological fact, we may like the sex we were born in to or not, we may easily slip in to the gender attributes that society tells us 'should' go with that sex, or we may not. Gender is a social construct, a feeling, and giving it power over public policy is part of a society in which feeling trumps facts, individuals feelings somehow have become more important for decisions affecting public policy than what affects vast majorities of people, and in particular women.

Gender is what you feel and present to the world, sex is body parts and unimportant to how you feel and present.

Gender is the consciousness and what is important, sex is flesh.

orange - what is the difference between sex and gender, in your opinion?

Back when orange?

You all realise that sex and gender where not understood the same back then just like homosexuality. Thankfully there is plans already to update the birth certs to change the word sex to gender with our more reasoned understanding of gender now.

orange
The doctor did not assign her gender at birth. The doctor recognised her sex.

The doctor observed that her sex was female at birth.
Society attributes gendered characteristics which feminists generally try to counter and reject.

OP not sure what your issue is the doctor assigned you female gender at birth

If you still feel your gender is female you select - live and work in the same gender role to that assigned to me at birth

If you now feel your gender is male you select - I live and work in the opposite gender role to that assigned at my birth

If you now feel you have no gender or gender nonconforming you select - prefer not to say and go to HR about the missing other option.

It's not hard, I don't see the issue other than they forgot the "Other" option from the start.

Good on you OP

Admittedly, I only got to C, but maybe many of us would fall under Cassgender - the feeling of gender isn't important to you.

Although I get the impression it's supposed to mean something a lot more 'interesting' than "fuck off with your meaningless, socially constructed gender roles."