How do I fill in this form about ‘gender identity’?

Hear, hear!

And trans women loose jobs because they get outed and the bosses are bigots.

How does one loose a job? Set it free to roam in the wild?

No, they don't. They might not get jobs they apply for because of covert discrimination. They might feel pressured to resign from jobs because of a discriminatory and hostile work environment. Both these things are wrong. That's why we already have laws protecting trans people from this.

They don't get directly sacked because bosses find out they're trans: 1) this is illegal and the bosses would be liable in court, 2) nobody gets outed because trans people almost never pass so everybody knows perfectly they well they are trans from day one.

Anyone that start starts chucking bigot into posts is shutting down the conversation. The reason for every point of view you don't understand or like is NOT bigotry.

I think Pippa Bunce would have a problem filling out that form. There is no space for how many days a week you are either gender.

And trans women loose jobs because they get outed and the bosses are bigots.

Do please sign post me too to the newspaper articles, the wrongful dismissal cases and the whopping payouts that must have been involved, because wow. How has that not been all over the media? Where were Stonewall and the BBC, Question Time, The Guardian, The Independent, pretty much every male radio presenter alive.....? Surely they'd have been all over publicising that?! The names and faces would be at the front of every TRA campaign.

Orange can I point out my questions too? Education apparently badly needed.

Transwomen are over represented in STEM compared to the general population.
Women are vastly underrepresented in STEM compared to the general population.

These transwomen in STEM enable the company to tick the "gender inclusive" box without needing to employ those pesky pregnant-getting-people.

Transwomen by virtue of being male have an advantage over women in almost all situations, the the same as males do.

And trans women loose jobs because they get outed and the bosses are bigots.

That may be so, but it's a different thing to the main reasons which in reality cause women's pay to lag. There is probably a combination of factors, some of which are 'gender' but you cannot deny the reality many of us have experienced, that our pay ends up lower purely because we are biologically female 'Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring...'.

orange you haven’t answered my question about biology.

Ah see I thought the pay gap was about dresses. The babies women have birthed and fed over thousands of years have not in one way impacted the way we are viewed in the work place.

Also if it’s gender only - wouldn’t that be transphobic in of itself? Transmen can have babies, are they not then impacted in their career?

53rdWay
And trans women loose jobs because they get outed and the bosses are bigots.

Shitty bosses are shitty bosses unfortunately you where employed by one just as many trans women are too.

Yy Errol.

The reality of the disparity between men's and women's pay is that much of it is absolutely because of our sex (and those aspects of gender role arising directly from our sex) - namely that blokes are useless at bearing and breastfeeding children. Women are still discriminated at the starting gate and in consideration for career advancement because of the 'she might get pregnant' thought. It's not supposed to happen but of course, it still does. Women are disadvantaged in their career progression because of being the ones who have career breaks because of being mothers. The fact that far more women than men do the post-breastfeeding childcare, inc. part time return to work is gender - but it arises from biology.

Is there a gender ID for teaching your granny to suck eggs?

Teaching grandmother to suck eggs is an English language saying meaning that a person is giving advice to someone else about a subject of which they are already familiar (and probably more so than the first person).

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They left out the other option for people that identify as zero gender and nonconforming people as I said earlier you should bring up the omission with HR.

sex is body parts and unimportant to how you feel and present

Correct.

Personality is how you feel and you may wish to communicate this by how you present.

Absolutely nothing to do with offensively assuming all employees at a particular firm are followers of the gender identity cult.

Gender is how you feel and present to the world it's how people see you.

So why then can you get into trouble for assuming gender?

Orange can you answer my questions?

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Hence Gender discrimination and Gender Pay gap. Gender is how we are judged not our sex organ that people and see when applying and working a job.

Gender is how you feel and present to the world it's how people see you.

It's a badly written form, even from the point of view of trying to be accepting of all views.

What if you don't accept gender at all?

What if you live one but work another?

What if it changes every day?

What if you find the word "gender" very triggering?

What if you're intersex?

I love how 53rdWay thinks a passing trans woman comes out college and goes for a job and the employers goes your gender is female but your birth sex says you where wrongly assigned male at birth. Your sex organ gets you 20% more money.
There are already surveys showing men reassigning to the female gender are statistically paid less money.

Geijtenbeek, L. and Plug, E. (2015). “Is There a Penalty for Becoming a Woman? Is There a Premium for Becoming a Man? Evidence from a Sample of Transsexual Workers.” Institute for the
Study of Labor (IZA). IZA DP No. 9077

ftp.iza.org/dp9077.pdf

I love how pomo addled people assume we are all clueless.

A traditional example of male gender role: Men must not cry.

A modern example of male gender role: A male person is allowed to believe that he can be female, because he feels "womanly".