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DrRadfem aka Venice Allan has been blocked from Twitter

267 replies

Trueheart1 · 23/03/2018 08:41

Some are suggesting it may be permanently. The silencing of women continues.

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Idontdowindows · 23/03/2018 20:43

I was locked out of Twitter for saying men cannot become women. They'll let me back on if I delete it, but I refuse to delete the truth. I will not comply. I will not submit to their lies.

AnotherQuoll · 23/03/2018 19:49

*On Lilliam's thread, I mean.

AnotherQuoll · 23/03/2018 19:48

I think I said so on Twitter but it's really quite the psychological study to read each of those replies then check the avi and bio of the TRA who wrote it. Grin They've just got no insight at all have they? (Or mirrors, it would seem)

Juzza12 · 23/03/2018 19:42

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SecretsRSecrets · 23/03/2018 19:39

Angry Raging on behalf of DrRadfem, but also want to say welcomeFlowers. Very glad to have you here.

I agree with a pp. I know it's small comfort, but the more they get away with scoring off the opposing side by deleting/banning etc, the more they will get drunk on their power.

Also those with aggressive tendencies that enjoy attacking people will always look for victims. This means when they run out of those to attack on the opposing side, they will start nit-picking at their own.

OlennasWimple · 23/03/2018 19:05

sorry, clicky link here

OlennasWimple · 23/03/2018 19:04

welcome to the vipers's nest @DrRadFem 😉

I presume you were involved in [[https://twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/976099900323778561 this Twitter thread started by everyone's favourite women's officer? (Guess the missing stuff is because of the account deletion...)

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 19:02

Yes you can report. But don't expect it to necessarily be removed. Also be prepared for 100 more to appear where the last was.

But yes, if you feel its warranted, I think that you are within your rights to do so.

picklemepopcorn · 23/03/2018 18:36

I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet, but...

Can we report accounts and comments and get them taken down? It must work both ways?

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 18:04

Just follow a few people. Should do the trick.

Mumsnut · 23/03/2018 17:52

I'd better get on and do something then ...

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 17:50

If it was, then why am I not banned?

If its an account that has never had any interaction, I'd say it was more likely it was deleted as a 'dormant' or 'inactive' account rather than because of anything you've actually done.

Mumsnut · 23/03/2018 17:43

My account was suspended even though I have never tweeted, re-tweeted, followed anyone or 'liked' anyone.

So was it purely on the basis that I had looked at at Dr Radfem's, Miranda Yardley's and JJ's tweets?

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 17:37

Falls under another twitter rule about abuse towards protected characteristics. Notably gender is listed but not sex.

I do think that social media should perhaps better reflect the law of the place the posting is made if regulation comes in. That would include in the UK protection of the characteristic of sex in theory.

The problem is that the law varies from country to country. This is why having an EU (and associate country) wide law does would work better in theory. But this would still create issues with regard to global interaction.

Complicated subject that needs a lot of work and thought put into it.

TBH I think the government lacks a lot of knowledge to be able to do it well, and will be led by the industry its trying to regulate, rather than being led by the interests of the public.

TerfyTheCuntingTerf · 23/03/2018 17:35

for 'impersonating' Pink News, I think, Juells. Even though it was clearly satire.

There's got to be a difference between satirising a 'news' outlet and creating a mock account for an individual though, right? The former is satire, the latter bullying.

Juells · 23/03/2018 17:27

You can create an account, abusing and mocking someone which IS targeted harassment, but because you don't directly message someone, that's fine.

So how come PrickNews was shut down?

OvaHere · 23/03/2018 17:16

I think eventually we will see regulation and censorship of social media via government bodies. As Red says this might not be entirely positive.

It's just been reported today that Craigslist personal sections have been closed due to a new US ruling. From what I gather they chose to shut down rather than being specifically forced because the upshot of the new law is that Craigslist the company could be held personally responsible if unlawful transactions happen via their site and this can be proven. In this particular case it is sex trafficking that is cited.

I suspect something similar might apply at some point to Social Media as pretty much all of these fall under US jurisdiction.

money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/craigslist-personals-shutdown/index.html

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 17:06

Having said that, nazis just keep coming back eith new accounts every time they're banned.

I'm not convinced you can reasonably perma ban someone. I know of people who created 1000s of FB accounts to cheat at FB games. They also used those accounts to harass players they didn't like. A friend of mine had stuff sent to her friends, family and place of work through the game.

So if people want to use the site they will, and moderators can only reactively respond to that rather than act proactively. They will never stay onto of it. Plus, the number of users a platform has is directly related to his value and the profit if can raise through advertising revenue.

Anonymous accounts will just regenerate, which is part of the reason you are at something of a disadvantage if you use your 'real' account. That said 'real accounts' are more powerful than fakes and sock puppets.

The idea that you can somehow 'regulate' social media I find difficult to get my head around, as you are always at the mercy of the view of the censor and the determination of the abusers. I don't see how you can crack down without affecting legitimate and users who use platforms without exploiting its flaws and weaknesses than it affects the trolls.

I suspect it will come in, but there will be an effect which is not necessarily a positive one anyway.

The alternative is that you have to sign up and register an account with a real name and address. This also has draw backs and issues over access for people who are financially disadvantaged or perhaps have been stalked/harassed in the past and have reason not to reveal their true identity (which of course disproportionately affects women).

SunsetBeetch · 23/03/2018 16:28

Having said that, twitter's moderation is pretty shoddy. It seems to be mostly about numbers of reports rather than the actual offence. And verified accounts seem to get a free pass a lot of the time.

Having said that, nazis just keep coming back eith new accounts every time they're banned. There's an account on there called diejewdie who just keeps coming back and has multiple accounts going at the same time, so it's not like they seem to have any clever algorithms

SunsetBeetch · 23/03/2018 16:18

Ummm I think posting photos of someone could be deemed doxxing, which is definitely a bannable offence on twitter.

daysofpearlyspencer · 23/03/2018 14:44

This is seriously scary, I follow Dr Radfem

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2018 14:22

An account which is named Dr Truefem is targeted harassment in itself.

Except twitter's report method doesn't have a comment feature in which you can explain this.

Which rather exploits this failing under the banner of humour or parody.

You can create an account, abusing and mocking someone which IS targeted harassment, but because you don't directly message someone, that's fine.

At the same time you can tweet things using humour to point out the absurdity of something and be jumped on for 'promoting hatred'.

In the end it comes down to the censor and what their political position is and who controls the platform, because such decisions are subjective and down to perspective rather than being a decision being made in the same way you would expect from a court of law in how it weights up the argument from both sides.

Because of this, the medium kills free speech, before things ever get to a court of law who has to legal power to rule fairly and impartially.

In other words twitter has in built partiality which favours those who are like those who are employed by twitter.

In terms of intersectionality, the system itself discourages it through the way it operates.

Not only that, it actually amplifies that bias in forcing those who don't share in those views off the platform.

It becomes a system of social control in its own right. Tools of social control are what authoritarians use.

This should be a concern to anyone who believes in democracy. Those who profess to be liberal but use this type of social control or celebrate when an organised campaign against an individual forces them off the platform, are not progressive nor liberal.

They just don't know it.

The worst bit is success on social media tips over into real life and affects actual political policy.

Its social distortion which in the long run will be harmful to wider society because of who is excluded from the conversation.

When people wake up to it, it will be too late. In fact, it already is.

The best you can do, is simply say not in my name and go down fighting.

Like every political revolution by authoritarians the first they go after are the educated liberals because they are the ones who pose the biggest threat to them by using critical thought and resisting propaganda.

And that is why its the feminists first. They are easy pickings. There is already a bad attitude to them and one that says 'oh well they deserve it for being demanding / mouthy'.

But they are just the first.

Right side of history? Perhaps people would like to know their history first before spouting such bollocks.

Don't worry, when you've stopped being useful, you'll be fair game too.

BrandNewHouse · 23/03/2018 14:20

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Wobbleslikeaweeble · 23/03/2018 13:43

How did they get cursed’s pics, are they sure it is them, i haven’t seen them.

Juells · 23/03/2018 13:43

Jealous, innit?