Another prominent T claiming to be a little bit autistic

Interesting. When I had my diagnostic interview, I did a basic screen for personality disorders and apparently autistic people tend to score more highly in the Cluster A traits than B.

That's interesting, anachronistic. I initially thought you were agreeing with the BPD diagnosis.

I have now got a bipolar diagnosis after years of therapy for bpd. My experience of group is that most of not all of us have either bipolar or autism. Bpd is an easy diagnosis to get women to shut up ime.

LM never ceases to amaze me. The recent twitter spat about skirts is a great example. Somebody makes a comment about LM and skirts. LM is outraged, how dare you mis-lable me, thats hate speech etc and says "I've literally never worn a skirt. This from the individual who literally sued their school a few years ago to be allowed to wear the girls uniform. LM is eitjer extremely dumb or extremely unwell, or possibly both. Should not be in the position the labour party have put them in.

Psychiatrists do not seem to arrive at ASD until after suggesting BPD or schizophrenia etc very worrying - it seems to be give a prescription rather than understand it may be a neurological developmental disorder which requires support and ongoing effort.

Have seen it with extended family members and it is clear it is autism. However, their parent was unwilling to accept this and ten years later the diagnosis is reassessed and reality handed back. Meltdowns can be scary and the people around them need to have the skills to cope.

Autism used to be called childhood schizophrenia - they'd grow out of it (mask it) as we know no one grows out of it - the masking is leaned behaviour rather than instinctive - leading to emotional ups and downs as life is practiced out loud eg. mistakes along the way/need for down time to process life - rather than just 'being'.

I think that madigan fits the histrionic pd profile more than anything.

really concerns* me

.... Meant to add, it really concerned me that ASD meltdowns might be interpreted as attention seeking and that sort of thing. A friend with ASD is going through this atm, in hospital. BPD should only be diagnosed if the symptoms can't be accounted for by another diagnosis; this is often ignored.

In general it concerns me that unpleasant specimens like Lily get lumped in with the abused but lovely people I've known.

Could you elaborate anachronistic? I've found the BPD diagnosis to be inaccurate and means assumptions are made about me that aren't true, sort of hellish confirmation bias! And those ive known with the same diagnosis seem quite different. I'm hoping my recent ASD diagnosis finally makes them reassess. (As an example, they used to go on that I needed to learn to be alone, ignoring all the evidence that I was rather good at that!)

Another twitch of recognition to mogle and jessica ...

I would bet my bottom dollar on LM having BPD. I do, and Lily presents in exactly the way a lot of my therapy mates do. We almost all have co diagnoses of autism or bipolar.

... and autistic women are often misdiagnosed BPD too.

*same treatment

Don't you think it's horrendous that distressed and traumatised women are lumped in with people like Lily and have the say treatment as narcissists, under the BPD label?

I would bet a good amount of money that LM’s diagnosis is Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline PD. That treatment sheet would fit with that. Schizophrenia...not so much.

Ps. I'm sorry your dd is having difficulties, heartbreaking reading that. x

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The very fact that there's a threshold means that some people will be just about on one side or the other. Thus one may officially be autistic whilst the other isn't, despite only a tiny difference in presentation.

They spent ages trying to work out which side of the arbitrary line I was on.... I don't have any obvious extreme sensory or communication issues.

I thought autism was on a spectrum, including people who have some traits but not enough to meet the diagnostic threshold?

If you don't meet the threshold, you are not autistic. You may have "traits" but traits do not equate to being unable to function in several areas of life to the point that it impacts significantly on your life.

For example, I have to remove some tag from my clothes, my daughter cannot wear anything but cotton leggings and tshirts without transfers/prints/zips/buttons. One indicates sensory issues associated with autism, the other a dislike of something that is rough at times.

Most break times at school my daughter walks around by herself because with her toys because she can only do 1-1 play. Sometimes I like to be in the lunch room by myself. One indicates social difficulties associated with autism, the other a need to have some private time occasionally.

I agree with Jessica.

(Perhaps because we know what it's like to not "feel" womanly, and because we have trouble with definitions changing and lying to be socially kind?)

This, in spades.

Not sure I understand, I don't have problem with gender - if girl wants to present as a man - cool.

They don't change biology though and actually become a man.

Very common amongst autistic people to feel fluid on this issue - then change when they get older - I know I did. In reality I just didn't really have much interest in either sex.

I would have hated to have been encouraged to sterilise myself in pursuit of fitting in. That's what is happening to autistic kids now - that don't yet have sexual feelings - told they must be 'wrong' instead of being allowed to just 'wait and see'.

I wonder how many of us who have gender critical views on Mumsnet are autistic? (Perhaps because we know what it's like to not "feel" womanly, and because we have trouble with definitions changing and lying to be socially kind?)

I suspect that there are a number of us who choose not to reveal it...