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Pregnant trans men Guardian article

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Todayissunny · 22/03/2018 09:35

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/mar/22/story-one-mans-pregnancy-trans-jason-barker

I just find this so confusing....
It tells me that we should just be able to live how we want to. We should absolutely not be defined by gender.

Or am I just really, really old fashioned that this is just absolutely crazy.

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BlackBetha · 22/03/2018 09:55

I don't get it either. It's a woman having a baby, which is lovely, but... surely not all that unusual.

Actually, this is (as far as I can tell) a lesbian couple having a baby together, which is also lovely, especially as it wouldn't have been medically possible or socially accepted not long ago. But it seems like a weirdly regressive attempt to erase that by insisting that one of them has to be 'the man' in the relationship (and continuing to insist it's literally true even in the face of incontrovertible evidence like the 'man' being pregnant...)

TerfsUp · 22/03/2018 09:53

Having a bilateral mastectomy does not make a man a woman.

And, jeez, The Guardian has not just drunk the trans Kool-Aid, they've bathed in it.

Todayissunny · 22/03/2018 09:52

HeyRoly - EXACTLY - Of course we should all be able to live how we want to. But I can't help but think it would be easier to just be masculine women/feminine men.

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RhuBarbarella · 22/03/2018 09:52

I thought it was a lovely piece. It shows you cannot reduce people to easy categories. For some people it is not the easy case that they are defined by the sex they were born with. I admit the idea of a pregnant man is strange but stories like these make it sound less so. I think it is good to read these stories and to make them less strange.The vulnerability was touching.

HeyRoly · 22/03/2018 09:51

Further proof that, whilst transwomen get in the news for winning "woman of the year" or some other high profile achievement, transmen only get in the news for getting pregnant.

And it IS confusing - to reject your sex, as it were, have a double mastectomy and then decide to go through pregnancy? I don't get it either.

Of course we should all be able to live how we want to. But I can't help but think it would be easier to just be masculine women/feminine men.

fascinated · 22/03/2018 09:49

This is honestly baffling to me. And so very sad that people are so unhappy with themselves that they feel the need to change their wonderful, natural bodies with hormones and so on... Is the baby harmed by this in any way? Could the T taken cause birth defects? That would be my concern. It seems selfish to me. I don’t really ever hear much about the baby in these stories. More about the ‘amazing’ and ‘brave’ parents. Hmmmm.

Todayissunny · 22/03/2018 09:49

Old fashioned because it reads like something out of science ficiton.... and I keep thinking about the 'gays werent accepted 20 years ago' debate - although for me personally that arguement absolutely doesnot fit in even the slightest way.

I think I get that women want to identify as men easier than the other way round. 99.999% of us have huge issues with our bodies and with expectations around gender and gender stereotyping. BUT taking hormones to try to deny your biology and then completely embrace it and enjoy it - I cant get my head around it.

Some found it masculinising. “They were more like a fat dude than they had ever felt before. As their body got bigger, they felt stronger.”... HOW, how the hell can pregnancy possibly in any sense be 'masculinising'... (which I don't even think is a real word).

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Fishfingersandwichnocheese · 22/03/2018 09:46

Happily the comments on the guardians fb page seem to see it for what it is. A pregnant female.

thanksjaneshusbandatcaresouth · 22/03/2018 09:45

He sounds like a nice person tbh.

“I think my arc,” he says, “is going from somebody who thinks being an ordinary man is the best thing you can be to somebody who sees a different way of being. To a certain extent it’s about femininity,” he says, tapping the table as if he’s put his finger on it. “I’d pushed [it] away from a really young age, and I think it’s about bringing some of that back. And you realise how undervalued this work is … And it does make you think, ‘What was I pushing away? What was I scared of?’

“It’s about vulnerability, I think,” he says”

UpstartCrow · 22/03/2018 09:44

Whats old fashioned about understanding how procreation works? Its been pretty fundamental to the species for some time now Smile

This is just another way of erasing women from public life. Dressing it up as progressive was a stroke of genius.