Jack Munroe is now a man

Djnoun, you don’t sound bored you sound angry and dismissive. I had the same gut reaction to all the “transphobia” on mumsnet as you, reading the thread titles etc. BUT, having read some of them, I am a convert. I’ve not seen any ‘I hate trans’, although there is clearly a degree of acrimony between these feminists and trans activists. Nevertheless, these women are discussing real, important issues. They have every right to do so and you have no right to shut them down. It’s not transphobia, it’s disagreement with self-ID and allowing the rights of biologically male individuals who ID as female to trump those of women.

I'm very very fucking bored with it too, but unless/until this assault on the rights of women and girls ends I'm quite happy to put my feelz aside and fight this bs all the way...

I'm sure the answer is to ignore the hate speech that takes up reams of most active EVERY SINGLE DAY.

But no. I'm not the kind of person to avoid challenging hate speech. You shouldn't be ploughing so much of your time into hating other people and encouraging others to do so. It's corrosive.

I'd like to clarify my boredom is with JM attention seeking once again and not the extremely important topic of self ID which will eventually affect all of us so is very definitely not boring.

Dnoun, start a new thread about something that you do care about then. Something much less boring than this thread.

If the subject matter is interesting enough then people will contribute to your thread.

How is it offensive to say "men in dresses"? That's what many are. They may claim to have the soul/brain/dress-sense of women, they may change their names and throw a hissy-fit if we use the correct pronouns for their sex, but it does not change a thing: XY chromosomes=man. Man in a dress, man in trousers, man in a mankini. Man. Making male demands from a point of male privilege and male aggression.

If a man has such severe dysphoria that the only way he can live at peace with himself is by modifying his body, and he attempts to live peacefully among women, without constantly screaming "Me! Me! Me!", and without demanding that the whole world validates his self-image, and without expecting women to sacrifice their own body-integrity to them, then I'm willing to call him by she. It doesn't change the fact that a TIM is male, but she may not be "a man in a dress" as a matter of courtesy and compassion, not as a right.

Why should I have to hide the entire feminism topic to avoid this shit?

You don't. Simply ignore the thread topics you have no interest in and stop yourself from opening them, as every other reasonable person does. You're welcome.

WHEN WILL IT END

When enough people realise the reality that you can not change sex, gender is a load of stereotyping crap and women/girls are no longer having their rights eroded. HTH

Call yourself whatever you like. No-one gives a single shit. What I give a shit about is the imposition and degradation of women's rights and spaces.

Perverse and pervasive terminology such as 'cis', 'non-binary' and 'pan'-whatever is very dangerous.

I make no secret of the fact that I am a Terf. If in doubt about your sex then check your genitals. If you want to break-down gender stereotypes then I'll stand side-by-side with you; granted it's not some sort of point-scoring exercise to appear politically correct.

Liam has rendered me unable to ever vote for Labour again. Jack needs help. And the normalisation of this is why we now have so many young people going through MH crises over their identity. No child is 'trans', and no-one born with a penis will ever be a woman.

I think that just about sums it up.
Enjoy your lipstick and dresses, but you're not a woman.

I've NEVER read anything about anyone hating transpeople on these threads

Don't you get BORED of talking about this EVERY DAY

I get BORED with men trying to steal the women’s places, safe spaces and even the right to call themselves women. But I’m going to keep on reading threads that call out people who are willing to sacrifice women and girls’ safety and rights.

Thank you for posting about how bored you are, because the more you complain and the more posters that come on spouting nonsense about us all being nasty transphobes, the more you give me the incentive to fight back.

um.....OP has Jack actually said she wants to be IDing as a man, changed from Mx to Mr etc?

Because I can't see anything like that from this tweet.

Why should I have to hide the entire feminism topic to avoid this shit?

I've put up with the transphobia on MN for... God, who knows how long now. We all have. We've all become bored of it. It's got to the point that it is rarely challenged anymore, because it's been established that the matter is beyond the realms of proper debate, and is instead an echo chamber of

I hate trans people

Yeah, me too. I totally hate them.

Hey, do you want to hear the latest update about what someone on twitter said that is vaguely on the subject?

Ooh yes. I so hate trans people.

Yeah, me too. Hate them. Hate them.

Hey, don't you think trans people are like sooo aggressive?

WHEN WILL IT END??

yetanothertranswoman

Most women on here make a distinction between transsexuals and Johnny Come Lately transwomen/fetishists/transvestites/ autogynephiles.

If JK Rowling isn't aware of the distinction, she might well be only referring to that second cohort, without realising.

I am very, very bored of it.

So don't engage then! Go find something that interests you instead of trying to derail that which (apparently) bores you.

Now today, an entire thread about some utterly pointless tweet that shouldn't even raise an eyebrow

Well - I can see it from 2 points of view.

A prominent female author with a large platform on Twitter seems to be on the side of many women on here when it comes to self ID - so that's a big deal.

OTOH - she has also endorsed a tweet using the term 'men in dresses'. Which is a well known put down to transwomen. So that's also a big deal for some.

Don't you get BORED of talking about this EVERY DAY

Some of us are trying to help you avoid a Handmaid's future. Unless you intend to enjoy life as an Aunt.

So no, not in the least bored.

"Jack, a biological female, identifies as gender neutral..neither male nor female."

The bit I'm struggling with is that I have no clue what she is identifying with. What are the attributes and characteristics of "neutral"?

Is it the absence of something?

How can you define yourself as something that can't be defined?

Don't you get BORED of talking about this EVERY DAY

I can't help but think you're attempting to silence this debate but if I'm wrong and you're genuinely bored of it, I suggest you do what I do when I see posts I've no interest in (plenty) - simply don't read them.
I don't understand why you would take the time to read & post on a subject you consider boring?

Transmen are women in dresses. Even if they choose not to wear dresses that's what they are. They need serious professional help.

Forgive me, I made a typo. I meant transwomen. Though I can't be fucked with all the changing terminology.

And yes I am in agreement, they need all sorts of appointments with various professionals to get to the root of their mental health problems.

She’s quite clearly identifying as ‘A Girl Called Jack’

I could summon up quite a bit of pity for JM and LM but then they just say stupid like this and my cynical self just thinks nah, they're just deluded publicity whores and I just can't get past that.