Jack Munroe is now a man

It’s really confusing to your average person who just wants to be inclusive- but not at the expense of giving up biology completely

It's really confusing to me as well - as a transsexual. I have been criticised in the past by Jack for commenting on non binary and wondering what it meant - and then criticised by someone else for using the term 'transsexual'. (to describe myself)

No doubt I'll be on a block list soon.

I'm sure there are lovely trans people in the world @Djnoun. I've had the pleasure of coming across a few. But what their entire movement entails is the eradication of women's everything: Rights, spaces, statistics, care, support - the whole lot.

I'm sure most of them are lovely and only want to get on with their own lives with no bother to anyone else. But then let them do that. We don't need a change in law to allow them to become 'officially' women. If anything, let's build more unisex facilities - not encourage them to come in with the women.

This is an attack on women. Another attack. We already suffer in the workplace and at home from all sorts of crap; from being paid less to carrying the mental load. And now men in dresses want to join us. Fuck that. I will and am campaigning against this. It is patently not right.

The TRA movement is just another example (of many examples) of women being made/told to make allowances for a bunch of men and an assault on their womanhood.

They've created MH issues among the young, they've changed policy among popular shops and changed statistics among crime and violence rates of women and they're now wanting an entire redefinition of the concept of 'womanhood'. The world has gone truly insane. Luckily there are a few of us that are shouting about it and refuse to be silenced.

No, I'm much more concerned about levying blind hatred on people you don't even know because their beliefs are different to yours.

You may welcome your erasure, but quite clearly others don't.

You know what I actually do is to get to know people who are trans. You know, in real life? The real world.

They're actually totally normal and lovely. Which is why reading this bile is so objectionable.

Yes I do know trans people in 'real life'.

I first 'knew' a trans women in the 1980s.

This IS NOT about those people though.

Shame you don't actually read these threads to find out the crux of the issue.

I was agreeing with you that the “men in dresses” line was rather offensive. But that nothing else in the tweet was

Totally agree. The Labour party does seem to have a problem with women.

And the totally valid point about the Labour party and its mysogyny is overshadowed in that endorsement by JK with the 'men in dresses' line.

I could not give one solitary shit about self ID.

Evidently.

I could not give one solitary shit about self ID.

This is not about your friend, however lovely they may be.

It's about the silencing of women and girls and the erosion of their rights as members of the female sex class.

You know what I actually do is to get to know people who are trans. You know, in real life? The real world.They're actually totally normal and lovely

I know they are. You seriously cannot erase biology though,and that is what a lot of people are having a problem with.

I’ve met a couple of transwomen in real life. One was really nice, very wise. The other was quite aggressive and unpleasant. I don’t group them all as one amorphous blob. Some are pleasant, others not so much, like everyone else.

Still, I see a big problem with self ID. Don’t you?

@yetanothertranswoman I was agreeing with you that the “men in dresses” line was rather offensive. But that nothing else in the tweet was.

In the last few days I’ve seen it said that the following terms are all offensive:

transsexual (outdated, its gender not sex)

transwoman (should be trans woman because you wouldn’t say gaywoman or blackwoman)

trans people (not sure why - because it’s avoiding the gender issue entirely, perhaps, so seen as misgendering?)

It’s really confusing to your average person who just wants to be inclusive- but not at the expense of giving up biology completely.

I imagine it cheapens it by being facile.

You know what I actually do is to get to know people who are trans. You know, in real life? The real world.

How old are you? Because I'm betting I've had a trans friend for longer than you've been alive. And they think the same as me about all this.

@Trailedanderror Why are you embarrassed by this thread and why does it cheapen and undermine the movement?

You know what I actually do is to get to know people who are trans. You know, in real life? The real world.

They're actually totally normal and lovely. Which is why reading this bile is so objectionable.

You lot need to get a life. There are so many more important things going on in the uk than this.

There is nothing more important than this going on in the UK right now.

Because if this GRA goes through, becomes law, it will be the most appalling and convincing demonstration that the human rights of 50% of the population can legally be taken away, discarded.

First they came....*

I'm not the kind of person to avoid challenging hate speech.

That’s marvellous. Now be a pet and ask the TRAs to stop making threats, being abusive, gas lighting females and assaulting women, there’s a dear.

I’m not bored, I’m embarrassed by this thread.
I’ve written and met with my MP, ive I’ve resigned from the Labour Party over self ID, I’m a signatory to the Morning Star letter, and I’ve supported the Swimmers.
What Mumsnet has mobilised is incredible, this cheapens and undermines it.

Why should I have to hide the entire feminism topic to avoid this shit?

Well, because why would you go to the feminism topic if you don't want to see feminism?

I mean, there are plenty of places to find the gaslighting patriarchy pretending to be feminism. Go to one of them and enjoy ur erasure as members of the gaslighting patriarchy like to put it.

You too Jon66.

Read the article, then tell us we are wrong to be concerned.

And how, exactly, and I mean very precisely, does this tweet impinge on my rights? What is it I am now not able to do because of this tweet?

It was alluded to earlier than I'm going to end up living in a dystopia with all sexual and reproductive rights controlled by a military government force... as a result of this tweet. But I am utterly baffled as to the link between two squabbling authors and ending up living in a rape apocalypse.

@Djnoun

You sound very angry. It's rare for someone to be this angry over something that they don't profoundly disagree with.

So I'm assuming that you, or at least part of you, truly believes that we are being bigoted and hateful.

If you do nothing else, please take a quick look at this article.

If you genuinely believe we are in the wrong, surely one article isn't too much effort ?

fairplayforwomen.com/misogyny_hate_silencing/

If you still feel exactly the same, having read it, come back and say so.

There is a lot of evidence to it, not just opinion. Point 3.0 onwards, if you only want to skim.

You lot need to get a life. There are so many more important things going on in the uk than this.