Jack Munroe is now a man

I really, really want to like Jack. She reminds me of myself in a lot of ways - sensitive, thin skinned, fragile and prone to go off on one without thinking things through. I also sense that she struggles with her mental health.

I don't get why she doesn't get it. I wish she was proud to be everything she is, does, wears - as a female. As a woman.

Oi lay off Jack Monroe!
She majorly annoyed Katie Hopkins so she has a big free pass to hold a few crappy views in my book.
As posters have said, in this instance anyway Jack M seems to have compared the whole concept of changing sex as analogous to some magical people dressing up in a novel about magic which seems an analogy with more than a grain of truth in there.
Great post Elementree I feel the same, which is why I find the whole ‘cis’ label so infuriating, especially when it’s used as a way to silence women.

CadyHeron, this was the original cartoon that created the sea-lion meme:

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I am also sympathetic to Jack, Cauliflower. I think she is seriously misguided with the trans thing but it seems to me that her heart is in the right place and also that she is a vulnerable person. The sad thing is that real feminism would very likely give her a lot of what she needs. I hold out hope that some day she will see that.

I really like Jack Monroe. She’s messy and real with a huge heart. She fucks up. She wears her heart on her sleeve. Says some really stupid things.

But she tries. And she tries to use her platform for good. I don’t have much patience for nitpicking. Broad brush - she’s one of the good ones.

Just looked at her Twitter. WTF is she playing at begging people for money with her Paypal link?

You are all vile and should be ashamed of yourselves. Disgusting bigots.

Mate, you need a new word. Bigot is just tired now. We've gone from TERF to transphobe to anti-trans. The least you could do is keep us on our toes vis a vis bigot.

I thought you just wanted to understand?

Were you, , not really confused about any of this then?

I am . Deeply

You are all vile and should be ashamed of yourselves. Disgusting bigots.

Cady - a sea lion is someone who comes into an internet discussion asking questions they don't actually want an answer to. Their whole purpose is to waste everyone's time.

Ah right, thanks. I did think they were trying to derail the thread and by asking questions they really didn't want answering too.
Best off ignored and posted around then

Why the sea lion references? I presume that's a reference to something?

Lovely sea-lion there Perf

Poor Jack just inadvertently pointed out exactly what the Harry Potter series and 'gender identity' ideology have in common: They are both fiction. Pure fantasy.

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Yeah, it's so much more refreshing when someone is outwardly completely hideous, like you. You don't have to worry about someone's motives when they just come out with a heap of hateful crap from the off.

Yes dear, whatever you say dear. Meh! I’ve been called worse.

Yeah, it's so much more refreshing when someone is outwardly completely hideous, like you. You don't have to worry about someone's motives when they just come out with a heap of hateful crap from the off.

Irony. It's like silvery and goldy, only made out of iron...

@Trailedanderror I see what you're saying. I thought you meant it as a shame on MN (anti-trans feminism board). I for one wish more high-profile women made a point of pointing out the obvious. I don't think anyone has denigrated Jack other than saying she is in need of a lot of serious intensive help. She's on the cusp of a break-down by the look of things.

Has she had an actual sex change if not then she is not a man?

That's just it,isn't it - that's what it's all about. Just trying to catch up on it all myself. Just saying if you haven't had a sex change, you're not a man - "bigot, bigot!"
You apparently, from what I can gather, don't need to have any sort of sex change as such. You can "self ID".
If you're a woman, you're a woman. Even if that means you have the full tackle still.
Same with females but the other way - if lady says she's a man, she is a man. Regardless of being a biological woman inside.
There's even a word for biological women - cis. To differentiate, presumably, that you're a biological women.
Questioning this, actually saying "hang on a minute, biology is a thing...." nope. Not liked.Hence the whole uproar at the minute trying to get Self ID recognised.
(Hope I've got all that right... it's a head fuck! )