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Jack Munroe is now a man

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DJLippy · 21/03/2018 15:53

She's trying to recruit J.K.Rowling

Jack Munroe is now a man
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DJLippy · 26/03/2018 13:54

@vicxy

Same. I'm a non-identifying non-binary person, does that count? Does that give me the right to an opinion about gender or are cis people banned from this debate? Trans is now a subculture. It's like me saying 'I'm a Goth, so you must call me midnight and respect my vampiric powers or else you've committed actual violence against me and I might have to kill myself.' Entitled much? The backlash will put real transexual and intersex people at risk when the right wing backlash kicks in and they've got jobs in banks and stopped wearing lipstick like most people do when they grow up. God I feel old!

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Vickxy · 26/03/2018 13:35

I am a woman. I don’t feel like I am a specific gender. Does that make me trans then? Who knew?

Yes it does.

I do not have a 'gender identity' at all as I reckon 'gender' is a load of society imposed stereotypical bollocks and I have a mix of masculine and feminine interests (as does, I think, everyone)

This makes me a-gender

Which is trans.

Its all daft really. Everything would be so much easier if trans actually was just shorthand for transsexual, like so many think it is. I have a lot of sympathy for transsexual people, 'transgender' not so much. Especially given 'transgender' includes fetishists and the likes..and now seemingly literally any man who simply says 'I am a woman'. Like fuck am I rolling over and allowing people like that into female areas. I never had any issue at all with genuine transsexual people using them, but it kind of seems like womens willingness to look the other way has lead to this ridiculous state of affairs today where ordinary men are saying they are women and its transphobic to say 'no, you are a man' Hmm

ArcheryAnnie · 25/03/2018 22:52

I would like trans activists to realise that "well, actually, I have been attacked BY A WOMAN so all your comments about male violence are invalid" is a bullshit straw man.

Nobody denies that violent women exist. Nobody is trying to deny that your pain and trauma is real. Nobody is asking you not to talk about your pain and trauma.

But male violence is a demonstrable thing, incomparable in scale to female violence. To note that one of these things exists on a scale many times that of the other is not to say the other doesn't exist at all.

< sigh >

PositivelyPERF · 23/03/2018 09:43

DrRadfem has been banned from Twitter! The rotten bastards.

JessicaJonesJacket · 23/03/2018 09:39

Someone suggested that JK probably liked the original tweet because she read it as being anti-Corbyn.
I must admit I didn't think she'd put her head above the parapet on trans issues.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 23/03/2018 08:54

Ah... Grin

Why is there literally no place in the world that has things right :(

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/03/2018 08:43

beyond I mean, it’s hardly a haven of wonderful gender non-conformity. More like their standards for what is ‘normal’ is different here. It is just normal to try to look good - and for some men, that includes make up.

They are light years behind in terms of equality, however. Being gay is absolutely not a thing and most gay people are still very closeted. Women are expected to be cute/girly/adorable/frail/quiet.

But looking good is not just the preserve of women, which is nice. Very rarely see people dressed in old/scruffy clothes.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 23/03/2018 08:35
ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/03/2018 01:39

It’s madness.

I thought we were moving away from ridiculous labels and into a world where we could just be ourselves. No, it’s MORE labels.

I wonder what they’d make of Korea (I live here). Plenty of young boys who wear a bit of make up and girlish clothes - but at the same time, are viewed as extremely masculine.

EVERYONE is genderfluid. EVERYONE has moments of gayness, straightness, asexualness. Why be so desperate to declare it to the world? Just do what you feel like doing ffs.

CadyHeron · 23/03/2018 01:28

Da fuq Grin
Sorry, but I'm obviously too old. Although I'm really not. (Maybe a little bit.)
Just had to google grey sexual and demisexual.
Absolute, total, fucking horseshit BOLLOCKS. (I never usually swear, but jeez, this week is making me crack them all out lol)
If this is the shite that people are hearing now, no wonder there's so much confusion everywhere.
What even is a place between asexual and sexual? You feel it sometimes? Either you are or you aren't!
Read that there's apparently approx 60 genders out there too. Hmm
It's just....world gone mad. But the scary thing is it's being taught in schools as I know someone at uni who peddles the "you're a woman if you're still a man but just in your head think you are a woman" rhetoric.
It's all about the "feelz."

MarvelleGazelle · 23/03/2018 01:26

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/03/2018 01:14

cady It was like demisexual - caramel latte. Greysexual - chocolate chip frap.

Obviously heterosexuals were represented by a dull milky latte.

It was mad.

Was talking about it with a gay male friend who was pretty pissed off that the rights he spent his youth fighting for are now being piggy backed on by idiots who think that not being sexually attracted to someone until you are romantically involved (greysexual? Perhaps?) is in any way comparable to being gay, in terms of discrimination.

CadyHeron · 23/03/2018 01:09

The other day, I saw a post that was starbucks drinks as genders.

OK,you've lost me. Walk me through it lol

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/03/2018 01:06

For the people bored of it, try going on Tumblr and see how bored you get of the pro-767890 gender bs.

The other day, I saw a post that was starbucks drinks as genders.

It would seem laughable but most on Tumblr are very young and are growing up thinking you have to pigeonhole yourself into this madness.

Of course most will grow out of it but the more sensitive and weaker ones probably won’t.

VladmirsPoutine · 23/03/2018 01:00

Wow, so it's ok to stereotype the 'middle-aged' (tee hee) but not use the phrase 'men in dresses?'

It really should be the other way round. I'm frankly disgusted by her back-tracking. But I reckon lining her pockets is more worthy than speaking up on behalf of her sex. Ho-hum. Those castles don't buy themselves. She should fire her spokeswoman with immediate effect but she won't. There isn't any money in morality.

CadyHeron · 23/03/2018 00:57

I'm surprised at the strength of my own reaction to JK's statement as it's unlike me, but feel slightly thrown under a bus by it

Was it her though? Could quite easily have been a publicist/PR person speaking on behalf of her, as her.
Matthew Wright recently on the Wright Show the other week. Or so it seemed. The Wright Stuff apparently apologised for Anne Hegarty's "you used to be a boy" remark to Paris Lees, and it was a WTF? moment as she had said nothing untruthful so why should they apologise?
Then it came out the reason he wasn't on the telly the next day was because he'd said he'd rather not go on the show at all than apologise for the truth. So wasn't him at all.
Could be the same here.

MarvelleGazelle · 22/03/2018 23:25

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thebewilderness · 22/03/2018 21:46

It says it was made by the publicist who is the owner of the firm that represents her. If the journalist is telling the truth with the quotation marks.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/03/2018 20:25

Wow, so it's ok to stereotype the 'middle-aged' (tee hee) but not use the phrase 'men in dresses?'

Wow.

ChattyLion · 22/03/2018 19:59

Way to undermine a woman in the public eye.. That ‘statement’ is fucking ridiculous. I really hope it was made by someone in the management office and not with the sign off of JKR herself.

There’s literally nothing that is unusual or offensive in that post of a woman’s (quite common it seems) experience of misogyny within Labour Brocialism

SmufOrTerf · 22/03/2018 19:20

I was deleted for admiring Perf's picture.
Made me feel quite young

thebewilderness · 22/03/2018 18:51

Google is your friend.

pinkcandy84 · 22/03/2018 18:48

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CadyHeron · 22/03/2018 18:27

Oh wow. I've been deleted. I only asked what a sea lion was! Confused

LangCleg · 22/03/2018 18:17

My post defining * was deleted (even though it was in response to a request asking for the definition of the term) but the subsequent post, which quoted mine in its entirety, remains.

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