Why are TIMs colonising womanhood when they hate us?

I hope this is the right link;

www.lovesportradio.com/radioplayer/

you can listen online without an account or having to sign in, and its also on DAB.

The thing I keep telling myself is that they can change policies and laws so that they are legally women. But what they cannot do, and this is the part that enrages them, is make people believe they are women. Everyone knows they are male. Lesbians know it, which is why they reject them as sexual partners. Straight men know they are male, and ditto. Everyone knows they are really men. And this makes them hate women, because deep down they KNOW themselves they are men and always will be.

Thank you Sweary!

Yes, thank you Sweary. I admire your guts. I’m autistic and I lose my temper easily and often can’t string a coherent sentence together, I wouldn’t be able to do what you’re doing. Thank you for all you’re doing.

ManFriday is talking about women's safety and dignity, and having it mansplained as not a problem without the right of reply actually proves how much we need this movement
Well said sweary Good luck for tonight get em told!

You're doing another radio show?! Yey! Good for you! Good luck!

Thank you for all you are doing Sweary. What massive ovaries of steel you have! Will be listening in and gunning for you tonight.

I'll be in my jammies listening in. Rooting for you Sweary.

Hope you are feeling the love, SwearyG! there's oodles of it coming your way!

Good luck SwearyG, youre doing a fantastic job.

Time for the really good coffee Sweary

Thank you so much for giving up your time and energy to speak out for this, you do a great job.

Sweary - I'm abroad at the moment and will have to stay up even later to listen but am going to give it my best go as some small way of support.

Once again, much kudos to you.

SwearyG

What you are doing is so important, it is just brilliant that after what feels like an age of silencing, some women like yourself are actually being allowed to speak.

One of the reasons I think it took me a while to fully peak trans was because although I had huge doubts about the trans narrative there was no dissent from it in the MSM or anywhere else that I came across so I believed myself to be guilty of wrongthink and just kept my mouth shut and didn't ask questions in case others became aware of my unacceptable beliefs.

Just having women standing up to this bs in public and questioning it allows those with doubts to realise that they're not alone and that others too can see this nonsense for what it is - hopefully that will help them to be braver and start speaking out and to realise that they're not terfnazibigots for knowing men cannot be women.

Fantastic points, Datun.

And re why they hate us - because they are male, they just. Don't. Get. It. They don't know the fear that a 5'3'' woman feels when threatened with a 6'2" man. They don't know how we are taught by society to doubt ourselves and apologise for speaking out. They don't know how we take on the mental load for everything around us. How we are the glue that holds everything together, no matter how thin we are stretched.

And because they don't get it, they think we are just being mean when we say, 'you are not like us'. They think we are keeping something from them that they want too.

If they knew what it was really like, I doubt they would be beating the door down.

I think they perceive themselves as failed men who want to perceive themselves as Alpha women. Can’t compete with men at sport, in politics, in the workplace, so they want to take the place of born women in these roles. And they hate anyone who holds a mirror up to the caricature of womanhood they represent, and call it like it is.

Is the radio station all about sport, @SwearyG?

Because, if so, it would be useful to give them examples of where men are slaying women.

The link below has some. It's not all. Fallon Fox is worth googling. The fighter who broke a woman's orbital bone.

Or Andrea Yearwood, a collegiate sportsman in America who competed against girls, won two state titles. He had no hormones, no surgery, nothing. Just self identified.

Where are all the transmen beating men in sport?

Testerone it's not the only marker.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=Sports+&submit=Search

In terms of colonisation. These men are beta males. They think women are the gatekeepers to sex.

And if they identify as women, they will have queues of people wanting to have sex with them.

They need to keep their perception of women as hypersexualised and subordinate.

Straight talking, tough women telling them to fuck off doesn't fit the narrative.

Neither does the disadvantage and oppression that women face. It's no fun inhabiting their fantasy woman, when women keep reminding them about FGM.

Not only do they have no real clue about women's lives, they really don't want to know.

Hence the re-writing of sexual objectification as hot and aspirational. Not degrading and frightening, as it is in real life.

Minimising male violence is just another way of preserving their image of what it means to be a woman.

Yes, keep calm. Don't say anything you can't immediately back up. Have statistics at your fingertips. Be above reproach.

But, don't hold back with saying anything controversial. As long as you feel comfortable being able to back it up.

Your opinion will be considered worthless unless you can justify it up the wazoo.

Useful stuff:

NAMALT: The MeToo campaign ran to 11 million posts in under 24 hours, are you saying that these women were lying?

One in five women will experience sexual violence (rape crisis statistics).

When Target made their changing rooms gender neutral, voyeurism increased threefold.

'Not all men are predators': Men have to do very little to make women feel uncomfortable and intimidated. A smirk, a look. Especially if they have the right to do so when you or your daughters are in a state of undress.
My father in law is delightful, I don't want to get undressed in front of him. Neither would I expect other women to.

Why do we have sex segregation in the first place?

Not just safety, it's privacy and dignity.

Things that women do in bathrooms:

Buy and dispose of sanitary protection, wash out blood stained clothes, particularly underwear, rinse mooncups, have miscarriages (most miscarriages happen on the toilet), morning sickness, on the hour, every hour.

Some men get all icky if you talk about biology. But women's toilets are designed precisely for their biology. And the privacy aspect is paramount.

No woman wants to go through all that with a man standing there, particularly if he knows you can't say anything.

They probably won't understand the difference between self ID and equality law, so maybe not even worth going down that road.

Well done. You have absolutely brought this into the open. It's a snowboarding, as a result. Well done.

SwearyG you are doing an amazing job. Really.

What struck me listening to the JOB interview is that women are being forced to defend not only this position against self-ID, but also the very need for sex segregation in the first place.

If I was brave enough to do what you are doing - and I am not! - I would try to turn it back on the interviewer. Do you agree that changing rooms where people are naked should be segregated by sex? Do you agree that men and women should be put into separate prisons? Do you agree that men and women need different sporting events?

None of this is new! Male and female only spaces are needed for these situations, because of male violence and because women are weaker than men. NAMALT etc, but as a society we agree the risk to women is enough to warrant segregation in these situations. Not all men are rapists, but all rapists are men.

If we can agree on that, why on earth would saying the magic words 'I identify as a woman' be enough to say that risk no longer exists?

Even when the opposing idea has been completely discredited the BBC tend to invite somebody on to argue the toss.

Unfortunately most people haven’t really thought through issues around self ID (hence irrelevant comparisons to gay rights), so it’s sadly not surprising that the discussion isn’t well informed yet.

Well done for starting to change that though sweary

I've used this example before on threads like this ...a few years ago Pete Burns was on Celebrity Big Brother with Sylvester Stallone's mother Jackie . He was vile to her and to another glamorous model type woman. - sorry can't remember who now _ and it was obvious that jealousy and spite were his motivation - he was a caricature of them and became more so later in his life . Many TIM absolutely hate women , as some drag artists used to , for being what they yearn to be but know they never will be , so ridicule and caricature the object of hatred and desire .
As for Sweary I absolutely salute you and your efforts - yes keep cool and calm - but also sadly I think women's fears will not have as much weight as men's fears for the effect of predatory males on 'their' women - daughters girlfriends wives exposed legally to a fully male bodied self identified woman in vulnerable spaces . If you have a male interviewer ask him how he would feel if his daughter was undressing next to a male bodied person and could not legally object, as this is where it's heading. . Good luck .

In every place I have worked from the age of 16, bar none, men have ranked female colleagues in precisely the same way. Starting at the Middlesbrough glue factory, where the female employees comprised a scary, snaggle-toothed hag who was a kind of seneschal in the warehouse, and a thyroidic typist with the girth of the Transporter Bridge and a perspiration issue. It didn’t matter. They were ranked just the same. If you had to, who would you choose?

This is the thing with men: we make do with what we have. Women aren’t like that. It was the same when I worked in the shadow cabinet corridor for the Labour Party, even if the men had to be a long way from the office and a bit pissed before they divulged their own lists. But they still had their lists, believe me.

This is what Rod Liddle was saying in the ST (in reference to the ad exec who emailed his list round the company when he was leaving).

This is the reality when it comes to the question of DIGNITY (as well as safety) and why women do not want to be in a position where any person can just decide they want to use the women's facilities unchallenged.

Women need private spaces when in a state of undress, changing tampons, washing out moon cups etc. where we have some respite from the male gaze. If a man goes through the process of taking hormones for a couple of years, even if he doesn't have surgery, (and I think I've read that it takes 2-5 years for oestrogen to reduce sex drive and penis) to become a transwoman then, ok, they are showing a commitment but without that then surely they are still a man in every sense of the word and shouldn't be in women's spaces?

I say most definitely go in calm.

Furthermore, I think it always comes across badly when an interviewee attacks the interviewer or style of interview.

However, I also think that most interviewers want to do a good job and don't want to exhibit subconscious bias (they are happy to be biased deliberately of course). Perhaps you could contact theor researchers in advance, ideally by email, to point out the bias that creeps in that you pointed out above.

I am going to bring up how I've spoken on other shows and been belittled and then had TIMs given the final word. ManFriday is talking about women's safety and dignity, and having it mansplained as not a problem without the right of reply actually proves how much we need this movement.

Maybe some of us should contact the show in advance to point out how this scenario often plays out and could they please break the mould etc

It’s not when they hate us, it’s because they hate us. :/

And I hate to say it, but you’ll get our message across to many, many more people by being polite, reasonable and calm.

And for the 9000th time this week, I’m applauding you, this time for your OP. 😀

Sweary I really admire you for doing this! Some things that struck me about what the transwomen (except Barbara) were saying on the JOB show.

With self ID we simply can't challenge anyone who decides to enter a women's changing area. I have been followed into the loo in a pub by a man, and one of the bar staff clocked it and came straight in behind him and kicked him out, not just of the loos but of the pub. How could the bar staff respond in such a way if anyone can say "hey, I'm a woman and I'm going to press charges for your transphobic handling of me!" There will simply be no recourse.

Transwomen do not want to use men's spaces because they are aware of the vulnerability of women in such spaces. Transwomen have been using women's spaces forever and that's ok - what is not ok is the fact that any person would be able to use women's spaces without any challenge. And that, as you said, is a problem not just from a safety aspect but also one of dignity. Rod Liddle's column in the Sunday Times this week talked of how men rank women's bodies all the time in terms of fuckability. We need a private space where we can get undressed without being subjected to that. I work in bars where I hear this kind of thing from male punters' conversations ALL THE TIME. Yes, even the "nice" ones.

And I'm sorry for those transwomen who have to wait 2 years to go through a process to get a GRC or whatever one of the transwomen after you on the JOB show was saying, but surely those couple of years are a vital part of experiencing what it is to be a woman who wants to get changed in a public space - you can't just strip off or go to the loo anywhere, it can be inconvenient and embarrassing and I don't think it is unfair to expect someone to wait and be patient if they want to be accepted into vulnerable spaces.

Sorry, sweary, that must have been so disappointing for you to hear!

My DS 17, reckons that if a tribe sends its men to war and most of them get wiped out, the tribe can rebuild. If women go too, the tribe can't. So men value and therefore need to control women and their reproductive power in the tribe. What they need are wombs, the sentient apparatus attached to them is superfluous.