Debunking some myths

Most women I know have no problem with transwomen in women's space... Because they're women.

Could you please expand on this?

And given the all-encompassing nature of the Stonewall definition, at what point can someone with XY chromosomes be defined as a woman? Should someone like Pips Bunce be given full access to our spaces when wearing a dress & excluded when in a suit?

In what way are transwomen women, Bibijayne?

We can get a fair idea from Theresa May's pronouncements and from the Scottish consultation documents what the proposed new GRA might look like.

The proposals are to remove all the requirements for evidence. Applicants will no longer have to show they have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria or that they have 'lived in' the new gender for 2 years (in practice a few official docs in the new name - passport, drivers licence, DWP, HMRC letters, payslips, household bills etc.)

The proposals don't just change an administrative procedure for those who would have applied for a GRC anyway, they expand eligibility to anyone with £140 and a biro (fee waiver for anyone on a low income). It's true you'll also have to pay a solicitor's fee to notarise the stat dec. A quick google shows the going rate for this service is £5.

Aside from prisons, the GRA makes little practical difference these days and the EA exceptions can be used to keep spaces and services female only even where a tw has a GRC. What the self-ID proposals do - have already done before any legal changes, is change the culture around what and who women are expected to put up with in our spaces (in the widest sense).

Shelters and rape crisis centres are perfectly entitled to use the single sex exceptions in the EA and exclude tw, both with and without a GRC, in order to keep them female only. They're just increasingly less likely to use them because of the cultural change outlined above, and because of pressure from transactivist shits. This is bad for women and girls.

Campaign for your own spaces. If you hurry up you might be in time to get support from women before we've all completely run out of good will.

The other thing to consider is how the GRA interacts with other legislation. It may seem like it makes no difference to allow people to self-ID to get an obsolete document, but if another law is then amended to allow further rights to people with a GRC we could be in deep shit. For example the trans equality report also recommends changing the equality act so that sex based exceptions would not apply where someone has a GRC. The current government have said they won't change the EA but governments only last a handful of years, after that all bets are off.

the rates of criminal behaviour among self-identified trans people is much much lower than the societal average

Citation please. This is a ludicrous assertion because 'self-identified trans people' is literally anyone who says the magic words.

and there is ZERO respectable evidence that self identified transgender females represent any threat to non-transgender females of any age.

Well, I saw first hand a woman get punched repeatedly in the head by a self-ID'd tw so ...

Your assertions are incorrect in several points I think.

1. As the law currently stands then single sex spaces like toilets and refuges CAN exclude people on the basis of sex. So that’s incorrect.

1. Self ID IS a threat to this - for toilets it would remove the right to challenge someone in a female toilet.

1. Transgender people are protected under the 2010 act. What other rights would you like them to have may I ask? Self ID as a right is a threat to safeguarding, and to women and children. So no, I do not support that.

1. There have been several incidents in Canada where TRA groups have used self ID to actively damage women or facilities used by women. Vexatious lawsuits against women’s refuges for example. A lawsuit against a water who did not want to do a male leg (or do you believe a woman’s right to say no to ANY physical contact she disagrees with is invalid?) In the USA, voyeurism crimes have doubled in Target’s unisex changing rooms.

1. Transwoman retain Male criminality patterns.

So actually, all your assertions appear to be incorrect. MN is not anti trans, it is pro women as a rule. Self ID is a serious threat to the safety of women and girls and children of both sexes and all gender identifications. I cannot accept it.

From everything I have read on here I don’t believe your assertion is correct. Single Sex exemption can override even a GRC can’t it? Ie even with a GRC, I didn’t believe a trans woman had the absolute right to use a single sex facility covered by the Equality Act?

@SianRunner that case predates the Equality Act 2010 by a number of years.

However, I should point out that in the countries that have already adopted self identification as law there is no evidence that male predators have used it to prey on vulnerable women.

I'm not sure how there can be evidence on this. In countries where self-id is law, surely any crimes would be recorded as FEMALE predators in changing rooms, because, regardless of biology, the accused is able to say "I'm female"....? Or does self-id not bother itself with that aspect of law?

Croft v Royal Mail, appeal court ruling 2003.

The court ruled that a relatively newly transitioning man-to-transwoman could legally be denied access by Royal Mail to the women's bogs.

Has that been forgotten? The judgement mentioned self-identification - and basically said that doesn't trump biology.

I found the recent swimming pool protest quite amusing. It was reported (may actually have happened) that two women went into a "men only" swimming session. The supposed purpose was to claim that people would be able to go into single sex sessions if it was easier to get a Gender Recognition Certificate. The implication of course is that they showed their GRCs first ...