ManFriday is on Good Morning Britain

Actually, despite a lot of online and real life abuse from certain feminists, I am against Self ID. I have spoken to my MP about it. I am aware that trans voices who are against Self ID are valuable in this fight.

Then why are you on here whinging about a campaign that is entirely about self-ID? Go and take issue with the transactivists and contribute yourself instead of nit-picking women in a passive aggressive way.

It's. Not. About. You.

What a gobshite.

Here's Jane, knitting away:

However, you seem to be in support of them. This means I am not in support of you. And I don't care if you are offended by that

Actually, despite a lot of online and real life abuse from certain feminists, I am against Self ID. I have spoken to my MP about it. I am aware that trans voices who are against Self ID are valuable in this fight.

Weebo - JF was on a panel with Bindel and Milo. Milo was engaged and polite. JF sat there, knitting, sighing, and generally being unbelievably rude.

It comes to something when Milo has better manners I think.

Right, because knitting is what women do.

Jane could mix it up you know. Bake a cake or do some ironing while debating.

I wonder why it's the narcissistic ones that do these appearances? The only transwoman I have seen come across well on tv is Paris Lees (and after reading some of their articles I came to the conclusion that the tv persona is an act). India W, Jane F, Lily M etc. just seem like such an own goal for their cause; aggressive, petulant and defensive.

I do know of lovely transwomen, but I think of them as trans sexual, rather than trans gender.

I caught it on +1, thanks to this thread.

Jane Fae was not making much sense at all. Amy was fabulous!

I guess you think it's ok to get people to think of transwomen as a bunch of tosspots

There are transsexuals and crossdressers. I support transsexuals who separate themselves from crossdressers and trans ideology and do not subscribe to the religious magical thinking of transactivism.

If you want me to support you, I assume a post-SRS transsexual, you will need to separate yourself from the trans ideologues as many transsexuals are doing, including a friend of mine. However, you seem to be in support of them. This means I am not in support of you. And I don't care if you are offended by that.

With regards to this specific assertion - yes, I do see be-penised crossdressing self-ID supporters as a bunch of tosspots.

No Weebo JF is known for passive aggressive knitting on TV, often whilst debating Julie Bindel

Was JF knitting?

Please tell me you're joking?

Was it Jane Fae again?

Seems to be wheeled out for anything remotely trans related recently.

It would be nice to hear from someone new.

Was JF knitting? They are the only person I've ever seen who has utilised knitting as a PA defence technique.

Seriously, what actual female commentator would be taken seriously whilst knitting on debate shows?

JF's eye rolling being a particular example of the PA approach.

Reminiscent of a teen....

Are transwomen the most self absorbed and selfish group of people ever? Is there a reason they simply can not see any other point of view? It's like they're in a permanent toddler phase.

Only the narcissistic ones. Plenty are utterly lovely. JF I find especially difficult in that I find she uses a number of quite PA, condescending techniques.

Are transwomen the most self absorbed and selfish group of people ever? Is there a reason they simply can not see any other point of view? It's like they're in a permanent toddler phase

Trans is the new puberty, India Willoughby told us this. It makes middle aged former men into 15 year old girls so we have to be patient with them until they reach full womanhood.

I was particularly interested to see Jane Fae's rolling eyes during the introduction. Jane does this every time!

I guess you think it's ok to get people to think of transwomen as a bunch of tosspots

I don't think of Caitlin Jenner as either brave or stunning. I'm not particularly enamoured of wealthy white males who transform into wealthy white trans women, who then proceed to ride roughshod over other women.

That was brilliant, but JF said it wouldn't make any difference to changing rooms...have they seen Swim England's new proposals?! Amy was fantastic, so calm and sane compared to JF.

Are transwomen the most self absorbed and selfish group of people ever? Is there a reason they simply can not see any other point of view? It's like they're in a permanent toddler phase.

Anything that changes the narrative from brave, stunning, to what a bunch of tosspots is a good thing.

Yes and actually, all of the 'totally missed the point' comments are in our favour. We've been analysing this for a looooong time and forget that a lot of people, men especially, when confronted with this nonsense will just respond with 'ffs, the world's gone mad. There are men and then there are women and that is clearly a woman/ man' And that's good because that'd what we are trying to cut to.

We need to wake people up from thinking this is so complex and nuanced that they don't understand it. Aka, Leanne Wood with her 'outdated ideas of biology' nonsense.

I thought this was about predatory men trying to use self ID to get access to female spaces - and not transwomen suffering from gender dysphoria

Oh, diddums. Did I not call you brave and stunning?

I'm here for the women, YetAnother, the women. And the children. And their spaces and services. And their right to boundaries. And their ability to withhold consent. And the safeguarding procedures built up over decades to protect them.

If you insist on being associated with a bunch of be-penised crossdressers, it's not my problem if you feel offended by my criticism of them. I didn't put you in the same box. Transactivists did. Go and moan at them.

Not seen the interview but well done Amy!

Will watch this on catch up.

Any, I am so grateful for your courage.