Leanne Wood has responded to her tweet

I still can’t vote UKIP and I’m not in Scotland.

The SNP is fully supportive of self-ID.

I still can’t vote UKIP and I’m not in Scotland. Depressing state of politics at the moment. For me this topic has really shown Labour’s contempt for women up.

I find the comments to this and LM tweet about being searched quite comforting -people are starting to realise what self ID means and speak up. I think humour is a great way to challenge it so Ricky Gervais will have an impact. Seeing a glimmer of hope.

God love Hadley Freeman.

I bet Leanne Wood has at some time or other sneered at Trump for rejecting climate science but here she tramples all over biology to wave her own right-on flag.

I can't see how it would be big money for Pharma. There just aren't the numbers of patients to make it worth it for a pharma company even with a massive push to make more people use hormone blockers or cross hormones. I worked in drug discovery for a few years and this just doesn't feel like the sort of area most pharma companies would be interested in. Maybe some that hold the relevant patents but for Pharma as a whole I just can't see it.

For those who were asking, this may have some answers...

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Kochab’s beautiful correction of Leanne Wood’s terrifying belief that ‘biological sex is a social construct’ has cheered me right up. It should be printed up on the side of buses as a public service announcement for anyone struggling with reality and/or stuck in the gender trap.

GENDER. GENDER IS THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

Sex is a neutral biological fact. It’s an objective, measurable attribute.

Here’s how to tell the difference Leanne: careful now there’s some science coming up but most primary kids can grasp this so I have hope.

If you can measure something or count it or observe it as an either/or phenomenon then it’s an OBJECTIVE measure. Height, mm of rainfall, sex as M or F, a lightbulb as on or off. That’s measurable. It’s objective. It’s neutral in terms of worth.

If you cannot measure it or it depends on opinion, it’s SUBJECTIVE. So love, how good a piece of artwork is, whether women should wear dresses. If musicals are fabulous or a bunch of dire shite. Subjective.

Sex can be objectively measured. It’s real. When an archaeologist digs up bones they can say ‘here we have an adult female’.

Gender feelings are subjective. That’s whats a social construct. Work towards getting rid of the daft and constricting narrow gender expectations we have and the world will be a happier place.

Ach-y-fi!! so true.

I wish my welsh speaking grandparents were alive.

Especially my grandmother.

She'd have more than a few choice words to say to Leanne.

Her first would probably be the guttural sound of "uukkavee"*

Hard to spell but I'm sure the Welsh MN community know what I mean.

• uhh-ka-vee So hard to type how it sounds- sorry

PeteandManu

...and the Scottish Family Party

Pete I can

I don't agree with anything they say or do

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this is too important

Labour are not listening
Labour do not fucking care

Any party that sees sense could get a lot of votes

Maybe some politicians are too fucking thick to realise what women's votes mean.

I don't think it is a conspiracy. I think many people haven't given the issue any thought beyond 'it's an extension of gay rights, and just like gay rights it doesn't affect me if we give the trans lobby the rights they want'. The 'other side' is seen to be the conservative argument of 'get back in your gender boxes'. They lump feminists in with them , and don't realise that there is a third way of viewing the issue.

That's an explanation for ordinary people not 'getting it', but Leanne Wood actually had to write that drivel (or at least read it after someone had written it for her), and I'm astonished that any serious politician could put their name to that.

Unfortunately the only party that hasn’t drunk the kool aid is UKIP and I can’t vote for them.

I guess pharma too

and anyone who hears ££££££££££££££££££££££

What’s behind it?

My guess would be big pharma, clinics, doctors, drugs, surgeries...

Ka-ching!

Tis a conspiracy Iminlovewith

No love for women, just love for men and herself. You can do better than this Leanne.

Oh ffs!!! And i refreshed to check it wasnt there.

Dammit! Wrote a reply and it went poof.

These people are pulling up the ladder and I'd like to know whats coming that they are so afraid of.

This is what i would like to know too. How is it that everyone seems to have lost their damn minds. Have their brains actually fallen out? No matter how hard i try i cant make any sense of any of it.

If there is something behind all of this, what the hell is it?

Someone, somewhere with a lot of money is pushing this. It’s the only logical explanation.

These people are pulling up the ladder and I'd like to know whats coming that they are so afraid of.

This is what i would like to know too. Absolutely none of this makes sense and its astonishing how many people have suddenly lost the use of their brains. I just cant get my head around any of it.

RedToothBrush said I could borrow this question

So Leanne What is the difference between a male penis and a female penis ?

"The appalling experiences of trans women in prison.." when nearly half of trans id-ing male prisoners are sex offenders, in for rape and sexual crimes against women and children? Shove them in with women? Has she lost her MIND? I thought she was intelligent, but it seems she is the same old career politician who also somehow links self id with gay rights, when they are opposing ideologies, despite what Penis News seems to suggest.

I am so, so disappointed by this. I had hoped to vote Plaid in the next election.
The transphobia comments have enraged me too. I am not trans"phobic", I don't hate feminine men, but do I believe a feminine (or not even feminine in some cases) man is a woman because he says so? Of course not. That would be incredibly stupid. Lord knows who I will vote for now.

Same here Respectable
I will vote for any party that has not drunk the Kool Aid