Paris Lees just been hugely dissed live on TV

How did it get to this point where "You used to be a boy", said to someone who.used to be a boy, is controversial?

And using the word 'castration' to refer to the excision of someone's testicles may be a criminal offence?

Something very strange is happening to language

I think what Anne, Germaine Greer and Jenni Murray have got in common is that they're 'old' women

Yup. Older women don't take no shit.

But if everyone forgets Paris Lees past she becomes just another woman and not a special brave one. She only gets invited on things because of her past. Extreme doublethink.

Well it's true and I am glad some people are not playing Let's Pretend. The more the better. No doubt she will be coerced into apologising though.

Meh. He IS a man. He WAS a boy. He is rude and misogynistic.
Anne has Aspbergers I believe.
I think it's great that we don't have to pretend to believe sonething untrue the entire time.

To be fair, I think “old” was in inverted commas- meaning older feminists. Hope so, anyway! It was meant to be.......... a joke seeing as I'm the same age as Anne. But if it causes offence I'll retract it.

To be fair, I think “old” was in inverted commas- meaning older feminists. Hope so, anyway!

Anne Hegarty is only 59! Hardly an old woman!

Oh ffs, put and there
Stupid autocorrect!

Well, it's generally up to whoever starts the thread where they put it, unless it's blatantly out somewhere to be goady.

Are their other subjects you feel are more deserving?

By that logic any thread on here could be whittled down to a feminist chat.

And?

By that logic any thread on here could be whittled down to a feminist chat.

Multiple levels, surely?

1. PL is a self proclaimed feminist and "modern suffragette"
2. gender pay gap - effect on women
3. old boys networks - effect on women
4. AH increases visibility of women with autism
5. PL is an prominent transactivist - effect on women

Failing to see how relates to feminist chat

“I think you misunderstand. I didn't say I found those views repugnant. And of course she should be allowed to state them. But as someone who follows Anne on Twitter I just found it funny to see feminists declaring their love for her. One of her most recent liked tweets states: 'I want nothing to do with Western feminists'.”

I love Anne because she is not restrained by the complexities of Social norms, therefore is happy and comfortable in expressing her opinion, regardless of the new Orwellian tendency towards policing thoughts and opinions. I dont agree with her on everything, and equally I dont specifically define myself as a ‘feminist’, although I do agree with some feminist principles.
None of these positions are mutually exclusive.

I think what Anne, Germaine Greer and Jenni Murray have got in common is that they're 'old' women and tend to say what they think re the transgender cult.

Miss, it was followed by silence and the producers screaming "dead air, dead air, cut to commercials!" in the SCR

I think this transphobia business needs to be unpacked a bit.
In the context of this show, I don't know what Anne's motivation for saying what she said was. But the fact remains that Paris Lees DID use to be a boy so, like Jaycee said they should be able to take that sort of comment with grace and move on. Maybe the male socialization PL experienced would give them a better understanding of the oldboysclub that could be shared on air and perhaps that's what Anne meant. Knee jerking about words really doesn't help. This seems to be an incendiary subject right now.

I think if trans and non-trans people could engage in conversation and really move the subject forward so that trans and women's rights could be respected without prejudice that to me would be the ideal outcome.

I didn't see the programme and this is off topic but I was wondering if it came up whether Anne is paid the same as her male counterparts?

seems a reasonable comment?!

It reminds me of The Emperor's New Clothes. We're not allowed to say trans women have any knowledge of what it's like to be male, or of male socialisation, but that's not the case for many people.

Lees' story is that she was brought up in a very rough estate and suffered homophobia before transitioning, so maybe her experience of the old boys' network is minimal.

But since she makes her living as a 'trans advocate', it's asking a bit much for people tp pretend she has no experience of being male!