Paris Lees just been hugely dissed live on TV

Just checked and it is on Sky catch up - The Good Doctor - Series 1 Episode 14 Titled 'She'

If anyone has Sky and has not seen it look out for last weeks episode of The Good Doctor.

This is a hit US drama about a young doctor played by British actor Freddie Highmore. It is by the same team that did House if anyone watched that.

He is Autistic and his condition makes interacting with patients difficult.

Last weeks episode saw him face a young trans girl (or boy as many would presumably put it) in hospital with a very unfortunate medical crisis that put her future into crisis.

The autistic doctor cannot, of course, see her as a she as he views things literally and this is where the story develops from.

It is handled very well as an episode and shows some of the issues involved and the context of the choices.

in recent weeks ITV have also been filming Butterfly - a new drama series set to screen next winter/early 2019 in and around Manchester.

Anna Friel plays the mother of a boy wishing to transition to a girl.

Actually, thinking about this (and also the fact Anne has autism) this exchange throws open how the trans agenda relies entirely on the belief of something that isn't true.

Anne didn't actually say anything that wasn't a statement of fact. She didn't say anything derogatory about trans people. She said 'you used to be a boy'. Which is true

Yep. Aspies are very attached to truth, fact and accuracy. It’s a strength as far as I can see, and not one of the disabling elements of the condition. If you want something rationally analysed, an aspie is the person for the job.

Good post Jaycee.

I thought Paris was rather dignified....

What Ann said was not offensive. Paris Lees said herself that she was not offended.

If she wasn't and nobody complained to the TV show then who exactly was?

The TV show assumed it would happen and over reacted. Creating a story that need not have existed had they shown any common sense.

It was not like Paris did not have the opportunity to react. She did and chose not to and talked about what they were there to discuss.

Paris might have said something had Ann said - You should know because you ARE a boy.

But she didn't.

In any case if she had and Paris had objected then an astute Ann might have hit back and pointed out that she does not have a gender recognition certificate to say that she is a girl, or a birth certificate that says anything other than she WAS a boy.

Paris has chosen not to apply for either seemingly to push for it to be allowed by declaration only and no medical assessment.

So there was not even much of a case to argue about current reality let alone past reality. Though most people would refer to Paris as a woman as that is her stated pronoun choice. Ann may have even said that too.

This whole story is the definition of a storm in a teapot.

This year the term transsexual was even officially removed.

From what?

olddogsnewtricks, my husband is no longer a boy, PL is no longer a boy. You said that implied PL is now a woman, I was just pointing out it doesn't imply that at all, it just states that she is no longer a boy which is equally true for my husband and he definitely isn't a woman.

My husband might find it offensive as he is getting old and would quite like to be a boy again. PL might find it offensive as it reminds her of a difficult time in her life. On the other hand neither of them might find it offensive, we can't really dictate to people how they should feel about something.

Blame on the side on women? Blame is a terrible word. Wouldn't use it myself.

We are struggling with a lot of women that think we are wrong?

@peach - if you say someone "used to be" a boy, it does suggest that they are no longer a boy - I suppose this could be because they are now a man, but not necessarily. In any case, I don't see why it is offensive.

The backlash against feminism is the backlash against the left by right wingers like Steve Bannon. They hate inclusive politics because its too expensive, the state is too big.

Abuse/porn/ID politics has all boomed under the guise of left liberalism when in fact most of it is apolitical and venal. Men care little about other men's sexual behaviour towards women so it has to get uber bad before they do anything.

Even then they won't blame the men, cos they don't want the blame when it's their turn. Feminism can be blamed however because we always take the shit.

OK. Feel free to shout at me but I don't understand the problem here (and I don't know who PL is). How is it offensive to say that someone used to be a man if that is the truth? Surely that is the opposite of offensive? It is tacitly saying that now they are a woman! You can't rewrite the past and why would you want to? The OP says she said PL used to be a boy, well so did my husband but he isn't a woman now.

Oh no, I disagree with that. Women are guilty only of being too nice for too long.

I don't know why she needed to say it, surely man/woman trans or not you can have an opinion? It sounds like she was just annoyed that they had different opinions, wouldn't it be a boring programme if they all just sat round saying they agreed? I've never watched it so don't know.

Jaycee said "I do think it is true that there is some blame on all three sides here."

And posters were saying they agreed with the post.

The sex fetish men have done a Jimmy Saville on us all. No one must mention the fucking crazy shit.

Sorry, I don't. Was that for me? No I blame powerful men who engineered a backlash against feminism.

OK. Feel free to shout at me but I don't understand the problem here (and I don't know who PL is). How is it offensive to say that someone used to be a man if that is the truth? Surely that is the opposite of offensive? It is tacitly saying that now they are a woman! You can't rewrite the past and why would you want to?

And people on here think women are partially to blame?

Word is there was a deliberate effort to change 'transexual' into 'transgender' so that children could be roped in. No one would accept a transexual child. But transgender kids? They throw parties for them.

The three sides are violent and/or sex fetish men, transsexuals and women. In no particular order.

The missing link is the men in charge of us all, they seem to be listening to the sex fetish men and mixing them up with the transsexuals.

Bet Anne doesn't brag about being able to sit on (or rather engulf) a traffic cone.

This entire freakshow was intentionally set up to show how much more "womanly" makeup-slathered female mimic Paris is than old mannish harridan Anne. I think you could well be right.

Jaycee - great post,and completely agree with you.

I think many(but not all) women would agree with you. I certainly do.
Same.
It's the whole denying biology and sex, categorising and othering women into boxes to make way for feels and gender instead that I think is worrying and needs challenging.

"i do think it is true that there is some blame on all three sides here"

What are the three sides?