"International men's day" post

Makes a mockery of the statistics.

Wow.

Statistics of violence do not take into account any more than five episodes. So if a man attacks a woman on 20 separate occasions, only 5 are recorded. If we changed the way this was recorded, the % of violence against men would go down to about 1%

At least according to this source

www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SUMMARY-FOI-RESPONSE-AT-31-DECEMBER-2016-MANKIND-WEBSITE-VERSION-LIVE-01-SEPTEMBER-2017-GENDER.xlsx

A brief google says that the % of male victims of DV hovers between 19-25 %

(Apologies if already pointed out, not rtft)

Ah OK thanks for the clarification x

The poster wasn't circulating on International men's day.

It was circulating on International Women's Day.

I think that says is all.

Are you all against men's day? If women have a day why can't men have a day?

Of course not, it's just that the way the poster is presented is divisive. If it said (for example, completely made up stats) 5% of men commit suicide, 10% of men are homeless etc. then there's no problem.

ukmensday.org.uk/is-international-mens-day-about-mens-rights-or-mens-issues/

“I think the purpose of both days is more just to raise awareness of issue, which is all this poster is doing.”

But they are misleading stats. And longer than what? More than who?

I would be even more delighted if they used it to talk about issues and look for solutions rather than to bash women- in particular feminists - with!

How are women being bashed?
I agree looking for solutions would be best but you could say the same for IWD, there is an awful lot of talking about issues, getting angry, sharing stats and raising awareness but possible solutions and making progress was also lacking.
I think the purpose of both days is more just to raise awareness of issue, which is all this poster is doing.

I am delighted that men have a day. I would be even more delighted if they used it to talk about issues and look for solutions rather than to bash women- in particular feminists - with!

Are you all against men's day? If women have a day why can't men have a day?

Not trying to cast any aspersions I don't think it's very fair.

Whoever wrote those stats ignored the first word on the poster - 'international'.

*Because the tone seems to be comparing men with women, rather than just focusing on issues that affect men.

Is it? The UK website doesn't seem that way to me- it doesn't really mention women.*

It is absolutely comparing with women which is what is makes it feel a bit 'we are the worst off, not women'. Otherwise who makes up the other % for those stats? Longer in prison than who? It's not comparing with, say, dogs is it?

The issue is male violence. Men and women are the victims of male violence. There isn't anywhere near as big an issue with female violence. All the "but men are victims too..." statistics almost always ignore that the perpetrators are usually male.

I don't like these things that pit themselves against the women's equivalent for the purposes of 'making a point', rather than actually campaigning for something in their own right.

If men have an issue with aspects of the patriarchy, including male violence and attitudes towards 'weak men' including attitudes towards mental health problems then I absoutely think that they should be raising awareness and campaigning to break down these barriers. Of course they should.

But any assertion that women are in the wrong for not challenging them also; that feminism is somehow responsible for them; or any attempt to piggy back on women's legitimate campaigns for the purpose of undermining the women's campaign is simply disingenuous.

Every day is International Men’s Day.

Weird. Delete the two extra "as" in my post above!

The poster was doing the rounds on IWD.
I guess your friend has only just come across it so as shared it, but didn't connect that it was circulating as on IWD to basically say
"But what abut the menz -wail"

The 40% victims of domestic abuse is from a study where the umbrella of abuse is so broad, it includes
"Does your partner use swear words towards you" often /sometimes/ never
Type of questions.

Domestic Violence is another thing entirely resulting in men murdering hundreds of women per year.

Not that it's a competition but the poster doesn't actually mention DV.

And I the 85% homeless figure is referring to rough sleepers only. Not homeless in temporary acc or refuges and various other types.
When you include all types of homelessness the figures for women shoot up.

Men's issues should be talked about more. Men's mental health should not be taboo.

(the above is, obviously, a satirical derivation of feminist responses when men feel 'attacked' by feminist messages)

Tells about men's issues.

No mention of women whatsoever.

Just trying to raise awareness.

Somehow still an attack on women.

Maybe that feeling of being attacked comes from inside.

Maybe it's guilt.

No Individual bears responsibility for actions that are not their own, or for changing behaviour they do not themselves enact. If your actions or beliefs aren't trying to hurt men, then obviously the poster isn't about you, is it?

My main problem with it being posted now, is that it’s so obviously a retaliatory “what about the menz” post because of the timing. How many women post about IWD in December?

Other than that, more generally I too feel it appears to be more of a retaliation against IWD than something setting out to raise awareness of men’s issues. It’s as if they have to set out to right any possible sign that women have something men don’t. We are never to be allowed equity. And even steps towards equality are grudging.

Men glorify and encourage male violence and so therefore when talking about male violence there is nothing "odd" about seeing them as both perp and victim. That is what men as a class are.