Susie Green

I wonder why there is no public version of JG's dad's side. Has he been cut out since they divorced, or is he just a private person?

You know what I find astounding?

This is part of the published agenda of the Intersex Society of North America:

Surgeries done to make the genitals look “more normal” should not be performed until a child is mature enough to make an informed decision for herself or himself. Before the patient makes a decision, she or he should be introduced to patients who have and have not had the surgery. Once she or he is fully informed, she or he should be provided access to a patient-centered surgeon. full statement here: www.isna.org/faq/patient-centered

So this is their advice for how to treat children that have an actual, measurable issue with their perceived gender because of defined, known, genetic and endocrine abnormalities as a result of genetic changes from the normal pattern of human sex chromosomes. As opposed to a vague, undefined idea about "feeling like a woman", even though nobody can actually define that, and or an unwillingness to accept being gay and/or a sexual fetish. And yet, it is now deemed acceptable to irreversibly alter children, damage their health for years to come and make them infertile on the basis that they or their parents think they are trans, both of which seem to be opinion-based if not a psychological issue. Wheras, people whose children have an actual genetic, medical condition are firmly counselled to wait, take time and assess, in conjunction with medical professionals, before undergoing any kind of genital surgery. That is messed up.

Agree the challenge is No one is born in the wrong body. Many might be disappointed with their own body for many reasons. However, life is not a wardrobe. I agree some people might decide they are better off as transexuals. I respect them and would like all the best for them, except they claiming women sex rights. BUT it's an adult decision, not something to terrified young kids with because they feel odd or don't fit the stereotype. Saw S Green on BBC declaring that she could see from when her child was 18months old that he would be gay.
Who was the other mother, a similar charity, maybe GIRES whose child desisted but she kept going on? Cannot remember.

I watched the TED talk the other day. It seems very clear from that and from an interview she gave to the Yorkshire Post or YEP that her husband really struggled with not having a very boyish son. (That's what she says, anyway. Would be interesting to hear his side of the story.) She says she recognised from when her son was very young that he was more feminine and wondered if he might turn out to be gay. Her narrative now is that wouldn't have been a problem. Who knows what was really going on, but pretty clearly in her son's early years it was not a happy home because there was tension between the parents. They had two younger sons who I assume did live up to the dad's expectations, and that can't have helped. That poor kid must have been soaking up from his earliest years the idea that he was a disappointment and that there was something wrong with him. Easy enough to see that he surmised that if he really was a girl all would be well.

They went to couples counselling and were told that they had to present a united front. She says he decided that they must remove all the girly toys. She didn't like this but went along with it because of the united front thing. This is the point where I find it difficult to sympathise. I can't imagine being with a man with these antediluvian views for a start, and I can't imagine going along with this bullshit approach that made the child so unhappy. And from that point on, instead of getting the child and the family therapy to help them all cope with what he was actually like instead of what they thought he should be like, she seems to have made one wrong decision after another. I agree that there must have been a point of no return after which questioning what she had done was unthinkable.

I wonder what Jackie will think in a few years when the effects of ageing kick in. I wonder what Jackie's prospects are of finding a life partner, perhaps having children, just having a satisfying sex life. It's prurient to start thinking like this but on the other hand the physical consequences of SRS are so grim that many of those who went through it are left in pain and discomfort and have no real sexual function. This is not minor stuff.

So many have no choice left either in that Jackie and jazz Jennings are responsible for their parents jobs and income now. How do you get out of that.

LM and HP have got their jobs based on being trans. They'd never be getting away with everything if they werent.

Riley j Dennis and Danielle Muscato paris lees etc all have become well known and got their gigs from being trans.

They would have no where to go if they woke up one day and just stopped.

They have to keep it up.

I saw the red talk and she's convincing.

However I got the impression that the dad was so disapproving the kid felt that he had to choose. Be a girl to play with this or be a boy and have daddy not approve.

The fakes suicide stats do smack as you say of desperately trying to convince herself and others that it was the right thing to do.

But there's a reason it's illegal.

I would feel sorry for her desperation but I don't because her desperation to prove she was right is brainwashing and bullying and causing physical harm to innocent children.

How could they possibly know what they are giving up.

Puberty is embarrassing and messy and awkward for everyone.no one asks for it. No one wants it. But it happens for a reason.

The whole thing is just so sad, particularly for the children involved. I wonder how people will view this when looking back in ten or twenty years, it'll be too late for the poor kids whose health has been ruined. I hope the big pharma companies pushing this lose a lot more money (in compensation) than they have made through selling cross sex hormones.

I don't know enough about the issue and haven't watched the TED talk, but coming to it from an observer's perspective:
Having seen a few posts about Mermaids and looked at their website I do find them at least slightly sinister, what with the offer of sweeties, the child like mermaids logo and its connection to the Little Mermaid story. It seems like the worst type of emotional blackmail to use a threat of suicide to justify drugging and mutilating a teenager who is in no way capable of making a decision of such magnitude.
At the same time, what's done is done (even if I find the Beauty queen end game - that's what you think being a woman is, really? - a bit pathetic) and it does concern me what impact this debacle can have on her daughter/son.

Absolutely agree that the religion of trans needs to be challenge.

Children particularly, need to be free from gender stereotypes, they need to be encouraged in their interests and not be told "there's something wrong with them" if their interests are typically associated with the opposite sex.