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Calling all gender critical guiders!

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AgnesBadenPowell · 13/03/2018 10:25

You might have seen the posts in feminism chat and AIBU last week about Girlguiding's new-ish transgender policy.

In case you missed them, the threads discussed how GG are now defining girlhood on the "innate sense of being a girl". GG is ignoring its ignoring its own research into the damage gender stereotypes do to our young women; parental consent is ignored and we now have the ridiculous scenario where a guider's 6 year old son must sleep in his own tent or pod in his mother's tent and use the male facilities on camp, but a self identifying transgirl (ie boy) of 14 is just fine sharing a tent/loos/showers with a 10 year old girl. The girl's feelings are not taken into account and her parents will not be informed.

A few of us gender critical guiders have got together away from MN to share ideas and think about how we might challenge this policy. Our individual letters to GGHQ have been ignored or dismissed but there is strength and safety in numbers.

If you'd like to join us, or you know a guider or parent that has concerns, then please PM me or @drspouse

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mehfruittea · 25/03/2018 21:14

I'm really concerned by this. My DS is in Beavers and I don't have DD's. But I feel like this is too big an issue to stand aside. Is there anything we can do when not directly affected? I was a girl guider myself many years ago but not exactly in a position now to flounce off from anywhere.

DNAnotGRA · 25/03/2018 20:59

It comes with a sense of relief that people are finally starting to wake up to this destructive narrative and recognise that the protection of girls and by extension women needs to be addressed within the context of this insanity

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/03/2018 20:29
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Mner · 25/03/2018 20:14

*let it

Mner · 25/03/2018 20:13

No worries Certain. These are emotional and important issues that we are debating. It's easy to learn if get the better of us.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/03/2018 19:45

Yeah I sort of meant the bigger picture and how this is one bit of a wider picture of chipping away at the edifice of transactivism blah blah...

But fair enough. Grin I may just be a bit knackered and tetchy and prone to glib remarks. Soz.

WorriedandTerfy · 25/03/2018 19:44

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Mner · 25/03/2018 19:31

I'm sure it does affect me indirectly but I have no contact with guides, was never a guide myself...

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/03/2018 19:29

It affects you directly unless you don't know any women!

Mner · 25/03/2018 19:28

I have a son so this does not affect me directly but it's so important that gender critical voices are heard. So soon after jimmy saville...!

drspouse · 25/03/2018 18:44

Worried would you help on a swimming trip?

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drspouse · 21/03/2018 21:54

I have innate sense of being girl
Actually you know what...
I may not identify as a woman in the sense that most people mean but I feel a lot more like a 10 year old than a 50 year old.

drspouse · 21/03/2018 21:52

Worried so when a parent of a trans identifying boy complains you put them in the boy tent, are you confident Scout HQ will back you up?

Kyanite · 21/03/2018 20:58

I can't understand why people don't see the obvious risks! It's absolute madness. I have innate sense of being girl sometimes at the age of 51 but I guess my age would exclude me...perhaps I could claim ageism.

WorriedandTerfy · 21/03/2018 20:50

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drspouse · 21/03/2018 20:44

Worried I'm really sorry to tell you but Scouting has been "educated" by Mermaids and they also won't tell parents if a girl identifying as a boy or vice versa has joined the troop and is sharing with the children of opposite biological sex.

vintagegirlguide · 21/03/2018 19:49

Hi, I’ve been a lurker on mumsnet for many years and a guide leader even longer. I’m very concerned about girlguiding’s policy on this. I’ve PM’d you Agnes.

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drspouse · 16/03/2018 09:25

@MrsUnderwood I'll message you.

MrsUnderwood · 16/03/2018 06:46

I’m a guider and my DD has just started Rainbows. I’m interested in what we can do to help.

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MumOfTheMoos · 13/03/2018 20:07

Agree with Slowly and Monstrous- thank you very much for doing this. Only have a son as well but Girl Guides is so important for Girls and has been doing such good work - how could they trash it so?

TheMonstrousRegiment · 13/03/2018 19:02

Like Slowly I don't have any GGs (well actually Scouts anymore), but this is so important. Well done for getting your voices out there!

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