Yet another abuse of girls scandal in Telford going on for 40 years!

The problem is a toxic mix of misogyny, lack of resources, fear of being accused of racism, classism. Vulnerability of tranches of children. A systematic lack of ability to even begin to see these as victims as they were girls who were poor and sexually active - the police saw them as "little tarts" I have no doubt.

The law is CLEAR though, sexual activity with under -13 is a no excuses crime. And under 13 CANNOT consent to sexual activity.

"There's a grey area with kids over the age of ten who should know right from wrong."

You what?

Have I read this right?

You believe that girls over the age of 10 should know "right from wrong" and there is a "grey area"???

I can tell you that in LAW there is no grey area, children under 13 are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual activity.

I can also tell you that in society in general there is no "grey area" - 13 maybe, possibly 12, but primary school age, especially not even the last year of primary school, no I do not believe that there is a "grey area" around fucking girls this young many of whom will not even have reached puberty.

Of course some poeple will claim there is a grey area, some judges will decide that "she looks older" is a good enough excuse even with an under 13, some people on the ground will decide to "turn a blind eye" and victim blame and all the rest of it as is seen in this case,

However to say that there is a grey area with over-10s is incorrect - and to put it on the victims that they are old enough to "know right from wrong" when they are victims of a crime is out of order.

There's a grey area with kids over the age of ten who should know right from wrong.

If you read Lisa Muggeridge and other social workers on Twitter, you'll see that various things, including and especially austerity, has meant that social work have basically abandoned child protection in the over 11s.

This, combined with the police attitude that these girls were not victims but rather perpetrators of criminal behaviour, is at the root of why these scandals just keep on coming.

Shadow666 said-
"I think white guys, black guys and other ethnicities are also active in on-street grooming, just not on such a massive scale. Or maybe it is on a massive scale and we just haven't heard about it. Who knows anymore?"

I'll tell you who knows, the home Affairs Select Committee.
"With this specific model of offending ( on Street grooming) that it's a widespread perception that the majority of perpetrators are of Asian British Asian or Muslim origin this would certainly seem to be the case from the major grooming prosecutions which have gone to court so far"

Home Affairs Select Committee report child sexual exploitation and the response to localised grooming 10th of June 2013

Don't rely on the mainstream media for information on this
It was a mainstream Media that knew about it for 20 years and did nothing.

Oh and of course the police were negligent. There's a grey area with kids over the age of ten who should know right from wrong. Maybe it's a funding thing, maybe the care system is screwed. This is a feminism board right, you are all aware of how young girls are represented in any crime, most women who are in prison are there because of abuse. I'd also say most men in jail have had horrific times, mental health issues, care system, undiagnosed SEN. This is primarily a class issue. It's also a clash between cultures, but we all know that diversity will be good in the end right? Maybe us grooming gang victims should just suck it up as the goal is us all living in peace and fucking harmony!

Lang cleng you are right, they are not always white girls. That's true. They are any girls who are not Muslim. Britain is a majority white country. When immigration started in the UK, the Muslim gangs targeted Sikh girls. (British people were ignorant/racist/etc then). Now it's different. Its white working class girls in the majority, the country is white ffs. They won't knock back mixed race or any other girls though. It's always happened. I'm not saying all Muslims at all. Certain sectors of Muslim people take the Quran literally and some are open to interpretation. It depends on where you originate. The Pakistani culture in the uk is predominantly working class, all following the same indoctrination which allows sex slaves, which allows any woman who isn't Muslim to be classed as an infidel, therefore fair game for being a sex slave. It's in the Quran and hadiths, bloody read them! Look at Isis and the yizidees (not sure of spelling there) it's the same principle. There's a class of people in the UK who believe this shit! They are socialised to believe that men can not help it. If you are reading this with preconceived ideas of "anyone who disagrees with multiculturalism is a stupid uneducated racist" belief, I'm asking you to firstly read the Quran. Secondly ask yourself why there is home bred Muslim extremism in the UK. There is a good documentary by Stacey Dooley who takes a yizidee slave to meet her rapist in Syria (he's handcuffed, behind bars) and he blatantly says men can't help but rape. It's the same thing. Without integration multiculturalism does not work. Being British is belonging to a secular country where nobody cares if you believe in God or not, if you are gay or not, disabled or not (it's not perfect, but most people are on board) you can't have a community which is so insular that it's grandmothers have lived here over 40 years don't even speak English and expect them to have the same culture as us, what is British, it's not God, it's not land. It's shared battles with our rights with the law we chose to represent us, by democracy. I believe the world will be a better place when we all get along. Cultures clash, that's why grooming gangs.

Piece on the BBC today I wanted to share, in case anyone had missed it BBC.

At the end the police say "We have been speaking with the family and will continue to do so we can fully understand their concerns".

Aren't her concerns a bit fucking obvious? Police are in full deny, minimise, minimise, hope it goes away mode.

On street grooming has a distinct offender profile - British Pakistani men.

I'm not convinced this is true. But I do think on this scale it might be a true profile. I think white guys, black guys and other ethnicities are also active in on-street grooming, just not on such a massive scale. Or maybe it is on a massive scale and we just haven't heard about it. Who knows anymore?

The inaction of the people supposed to protect us is horrifying - and the fact that senior police officers and social workers believed that young girls were complicit in their abuse is appalling.

I am honestly surprised that this isn't leading to vigilantism as the offenders are clearly known by many. As social workers don't seem to give a damn, is there anything we could be doing as feminists to organise a grass root movement to protect these young girls and keep them safe? Even if it takes a small number of us working at very local levels such as the catchment area for a local secondary school it must be better than nothing.

I think the issue with on street grooming leading to gang rape is that there were opportunities for authorities to intervene and detect patterns town to town.

They opted not to act. And on occasions even persecuted victims and their families with charges.

That, and the scale and pervasiveness of the phenomenon make this a national scandal.

That thread posted above is irrelevant in my view and the type of deflection that the authorities have used to excuse prior inaction . The "white people abuse kids too." ( Who would claim they don't?! )

If this thread was about internet trawling paedophiles in this country over 90% of which are white British and I posted " Yes but don't forget the Pakistani men that rape thousands of children" I would rightly be accused of deflecting, which is exactly what you are doing.

No. I was responding to a specific comment.

1. it said name one - I named several

2. it said the victims are exclusively white girls, which is incorrect. Asian girls are also victims but, due to the community's regressive patriarchal values, they remain invisible and will never get justice.

"On street grooming has a distinct offender profile - British Pakistani men. But so do other sexual offences involving minors. Institutional abuse; online grooming; extreme child pornography; offences involving boys - offender profile for all these is British white man."

That is true, please feel free to go and start another thread about those cases.
This is a thread about Telford and on Street grooming .
If this thread was about internet trawling paedophiles in this country over 90% of which are white British and I posted " Yes but don't forget the Pakistani men that rape thousands of children" I would rightly be accused of deflecting, which is exactly what you are doing.

name one peadophilc network that targets every female who isn't a Muslim

While I think it's important not to shy away from the evidenced fact that on street grooming is a crime committed overwhelmingly by British Pakistani men, I would be careful about the assumption that the only victims are white girls. The only visible victims are white girls.

I read a thread the other day about the huge numbers of girls from within the community who have been similarly abused but will never come forward - from shame or because their families won't let them. I wish I could find it again to post here but I can't. And, having volunteered in a feminist charity aimed primarily at South Asian women some years ago, this is the distinct impression I got.

On street grooming has a distinct offender profile - British Pakistani men. But so do other sexual offences involving minors. Institutional abuse; online grooming; extreme child pornography; offences involving boys - offender profile for all these is British white man.

Thanks for the book recommendation @Childrenofthestones

I personally suspect there are a number of factors at play here. I’m interested in reading a more in-depth, well-researched account of what has actually been going on.

Childrenofthestones - totally appalling - yet some of the lefties still deny this is a problem. Yet people get the ‘racist’ shout if they mention this. Time to control immigration due to arranged marriages, why should there be the ‘right’ to import non-English speaking relatives who will never work. Time to be ‘racist’ in our immigration controls.

50 men on one day - remember this - what happens the other 364 days. All of these men will presumably have wives and children ....

In this particular crime British Pakistani men are 2% of the population and are involved in 87% of the cases, but the people being prosecuted are generally only the Gang members. There are enormous numbers of men within the British Pakistani community paying to rape these children.
The evidence found by Andrew Norfolk in the Times in 2011 for example highlighted cases like one young girl who was raped buy 50 different men in one night. They were queuing up the stairs and on the landing. Not one of them 50 men has been brought to Justice.
That's one girl in one house on one night.
Multiply that by the number of girls in these cases .

The media and the establishment are bending over backwards to hide the facts in these cases.
Can I suggest the book "Easy mMeat - inside Britain's grooming gang scandal" by Peter McLoughlin.

Calledyou I agree. It's because of political correctness. Asia is a big place but our politically correct country calls anyone who isn't black or white "Asian" it deflects the truth from recognising crimes from certain groups of people....why? Are Chinese Asian,,, yes, that how Americans refer to Chinese, we think Middle East why?

This was covered up in the name of political correctness. These gangs were not “asian” but from one particular country. They view white girls as trash and no one cares enough.

This will still be going on and we still can’t talk about it.

It is outrageous.

I believe in human beings. all of us

My point is we need to judge each other on character, we need law that says "this is acceptable, this is not, be religious but the law is paramount" this is 2018. Identity politics is dividing us and distracting us from the disadvantaged. The working class. Fuck gay and trans and black and brown politics there are so many laws valuing these people. What about the natives who had nothing to start with have nothing now and told they should shut up because "White privilledge"

Apart from historical abuse within the Catholic Church, name one peadophilc network that targets every female who isn't a Muslim and is currently functioning in every major town and city within the uk. You can't. This has gone on for decades and is still happening. The only way to sort this is to say "you live here, you integrate, these are our rules" and crack down on disagreement. There are literally white and brown/Muslim schools where I live. Integrate our kids, let them make the future laws. That's not happening right now. It's culture that is the problem, it's got nothing to do with skin colour.

qumquat I have just read that thread. What I see is a woman presenting her reality. It's not my reality. I don't know her back ground or why she think the way she does. What I do see is identity politics distracting everybody from the truth. Nobody gives a fuck about the working class. "The working class are worried about immigration? RACISTS (errr no, its culture that's bothers us) The working class are bothered about competing for work? (Where are the jobs? Not everybody is able to be academic) I read that thread and thought, she is either working class and has been lucky, or she is so far removed by working class culture (are we allowed a culture? we include all skin tones poor people stick together?) the education system is taylored to demonise anyone who has opinions that cast any doubt on multiculturalism. I don't care where any one has originated. What I do care about is having societal consensus on what is morally just. We have done away with religion to provide morality, fair enough. The law has to represent us. Diversity laws do not reflect this. Feminists need to recognise how different cultures are in comparison to our own, seriously do you think the working class voted UKIP for a laugh or because there was nobody else listening? It's because the working class deal with the consequences. Nobody listens as nobody cares

I'd be interested in Lolabowla 's views on that thread. I agree that CSA is everywhere but she does seem to be deflecting from the class and cultural aspects involved.

Interesting thread from Jessica Eaton (radfem and CSE expert) on this
twitter.com/Jessicae13Eaton/status/974589503712251904?s=19

Mail has at least run a story:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5511627/Telford-social-services-did-stop-illegal-relationship.html