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Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids

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HereComesTheSun1 · 11/03/2018 00:18

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tough-millwall-cave-in-to-transgender-bullies-nltnkpv3d

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Meanwhile, a woman who criticised a transgender charity on Twitter has been questioned under caution by police and told she will be arrested if she tries to leave the country. Kellie-Jay Keen- Minshull accused the group Mermaids of “suppressing free speech”.

She had accused Mermaids, which calls for children to be allowed irreversible sex-change treatment the NHS currently prohibits, of “prey[ing]” on gay teenagers and of “mass child abuse”. Mermaids declined to comment.

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stickyice · 11/03/2018 15:46

And sorry don't want to derail the thread that mermaids Ted talk and the "girl brain in a boy body"

I mean how sexist is that?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/03/2018 15:45

Another one willing to chuck some cash in a crowdfunder...

terryleather · 11/03/2018 15:44

Every day now I wondering what new flavour of OMFG I don't believe this!!!!! I'll be waking up to and this is just...I'm speechless.

posieparker Flowers and Gin for you. Stay strong and so much admiration for you. Happy to put my money where my fat mouth is too!

stickyice · 11/03/2018 15:42

anlaf I am watching that ted talk.

I simply do not get it, this talk about toys.

How insane is it? Obviously her child picked up on parental conflict.

When I was a little girl I told my parents to never buy me another doll or girl toy.

The reason was my brothers had boy toys that I was fine with (being Star Wars) and my parents were too poor.

Same with clothes I was fine with hand me downs because I clicked very early on that my parents were much poorer than other kids parents.

My goodness would I be seen as a trans kid.

I actually got a part time job and then bought my own toys.

BeUpStanding · 11/03/2018 15:31

Another one here happy to donate and offer any support I can

KochabRising · 11/03/2018 15:23

@cloudtree

Just bringing this thread to your attention on the back of your remark re: your legal practice the other day.

posieparker this is chilling stuff, someone needs to take this on through the courts and make history. I hope a practice who fancy a challenge will step up

MIngerDynasty · 11/03/2018 15:10

Twitter is absoutely awash with racism, homophobia and sexism so I don't get how stating a fact could get anyone in to trouble. This just won't work.

Katy Hopkins should be in jail until her miserable racist gob falls off if you could go to jail for saying stuff people don't approve of.

Piers Morgan would be locked in a well somewhere and wouldn't that be a bit of a relief

terfing · 11/03/2018 15:06

I have a feeling that this may be a significant event which will make many question the law in this area... I'm sorry that this will be stressful for you Posie, but I think you're going to make the history books here!

BRHaunton · 11/03/2018 15:05

I've just been messaged and told on twitter that I am a 'homophobic cunt' and a 'raging nazi' who apparently be arrested for spreading hatred.

I'm a newly 'peaked' mn user (usually just lurking around on the creative writing section but was lured over here when I spotted a post in active)

I haven't posted anything that I felt was hateful (LM hasn't even blocked me yet, despite me posting GC stuff on her post)

My posts are in this username on twitter, so you can judge for yourself, but it just seems like common sense to me?

Sex is unchangeable. While people may have been accommodating in the past out of kindness for individuals, what is currently happening is unacceptable.

Chocolatecake84 · 11/03/2018 15:00

I know Posie from twitter. She's amazing and so brave.

Anything you need, just let us know. Happy to donate, to march etc.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/03/2018 14:41

Posie if you are charged with anything, I am genuinely considering handing myself into a central London police station with a list of my thought crimes, identical to yours, and inviting my arrest. (But I won't do this without your permission.)

Their tactics are to intimidate and pick on individual women. I don't think we can allow this.

Obviously many women can't risk even the slightest possibility of arrest, for all kinds of reasons. (Not that I think they would arrest us - but it's something you have to be prepared for.) But there are some of us who could weather this, and it's better for some of us to go in and approach them, if we can, rather than us all sit at home wondering whose door there will be a knock on next.

ChampiontheWonderHamster · 11/03/2018 14:41

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Anlaf · 11/03/2018 14:37

Is that not a major conflict of interest?

If that person is still in role - then you'd think.

Susie Green's TEDx talk is here

Just started listening to Susie Green: "As soon as he was mobile and could express himself he was gravitating towards things you'd see as stereotypically female...Jack's favourite outfits were the tutu and the Snow White costume..."

But none of this is about stereotypes, right.

Lefthanddown · 11/03/2018 14:33

Happy to donate if needed.

DontCisgenderMe · 11/03/2018 14:17

Bloody hell, Posie! Good luck. Please keep us posted and let us know if you need funds.

Love More Balls than Millwall as a slogan too!

Judder · 11/03/2018 14:15

I will donate and back you Posie, am in awe of your courage

Terfinater · 11/03/2018 14:11

I thought this was spoof at first. How awful.

IKillGiants · 11/03/2018 14:07

Fascinating to hear that WYP's hate crime officer was susie green's son's "best friend" though.

Is that not a major conflict of interest? I’m assuming he’s been pushing for Posie’s arrest, interview, etc?

picklemepopcorn · 11/03/2018 13:53

I'm struggling to keep track of the madness, but assuming all is as it appears I'm definitely in.

Though I'll need a master class.

I'm starting to share on Facebook- articles which are moderate and questioning rather than the up front blunt ones.

Datun · 11/03/2018 13:41

I sometimes wonder whether trans advocates truly think gender critical women are violent, baseball bat wielding thugs.

If they live in the same echo chamber as trans-activists, they are being fed this rubbish day in, day out.

Lefty99 · 11/03/2018 13:36

This is horrifying. Solidarity with posie what an amazing woman you are Flowers will help in any way I can

ijustwannadance · 11/03/2018 13:33

Would the WYP's hate crime officer being a family friend not be seen as a conflict of interests on the case?

They seem absolutely determined to press charges and set an example.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 11/03/2018 13:32

I know Nose but they have blocked everyone and live in their own little world

Nosetothesun · 11/03/2018 13:22

It's worth being aware of who retweets/likes 'Guilliana's' (described earlier as best ignored as troll-like) rather outrageous twitter claims. A quick look will show for example Heather Peto & Helen (Minnymum) from Mermaids.... The original claims eg baseball bats, inciting rape/suicide are being dispersed outwards and can be seen becoming and accepted as summary statements of 'fact' about WPUK/'TERFs' etc.

SuitedandBooted · 11/03/2018 13:17

MingerDynasty and Fairyflaps

Many thanks for your help. - I want to be well prepared, and able to argue the case well, without getting too Angry!