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How do I peak trans my OH?

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MotherTERF · 10/03/2018 23:46

Firstly, thank you mumsnet for opening my eyes! I consider myself a strident feminist but I genuinely was not tuned in to the issues around GRA until reading about it on these threads.

I have learnt so much the last few months.

I have begun to discuss this with my OH and have been dismayed by his lack of interest. At first he thought it was funny and assumed I was being deliberately controversial. He now realises I'm serious, but thinks I'm getting over invested in a 'non issue' and is concerned this is taking my attention away from other more worthy feminist causes.

He stands by the belief that most trans are just trying to get on with their lives and is worried to see me holding such a negative view of humankind.

It's starting to be the cause of some fairly heated discussion.

Please help me to peak trans him fast!!!

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AnotherQuoll · 11/03/2018 00:57

If he believes the T in "LGBT" still stands for Transsexuals, if he believes "trans women" are essentially nice, feminine, harmless gay guys, put him in Twitter tell him to search #transgirls. "Trans lesbians" while he's at it. No "safe" settings.

Ask if he wants his mum, sister, you, or his daughter have to shower with one of those tranz laydees in the pool changing rooms.

Or have to sleep in the bed next to them, if ever sick and incapacitated in hospital.

LineyOfArabia · 11/03/2018 00:51

Hannah Mouncey

TheButterflyOfTheStorms · 11/03/2018 00:45

I agree that there are many many feminist issues that need to be addressed. Many many many. Period poverty, disappearing girls around the world, pay inequalities (many during the period women are most likely to have children), rape, male violence towards women, refuges for women leaving violence, women's mental health and general healthcare, FGM, and a huge number of other issues, including the American President wanting to grab pussies.

And the issue (for me) is that all this came to a head because transactivists wanted to be 'centred' in all feminist circles, events, places and discussions. All good, you'd think. Let everyone in.

But no! Now it's othering and triggering to discuss vaginas, vulvas and womb. Breasts, BFing, childbirth, abortion, sexual assaults that involve that, male violence (because it's nothing to do with gender-feeelings), grabbing pussies, FGM and anything biological or caused or catalyzed by biology shouldn't be spoken about. But that's basically the whole of feminism.

So your choice is:

  1. Let transwomen control all the feminist debate. Don't talk about female bodies.
  2. Be an enormous TERF and be honest that most oppression of women is centred on our biology.

We can't even start to talk about any other issues because it's all, "what about transwomen" ALL THE TIME. You fight that; and at least have the chance to talk about feminism, or you don't; and lose that chance forever.

thebewilderness · 11/03/2018 00:44

You would think that being told that half the trans identified males incarcerated were found guilty for sex crimes would wake people up.
transcrimeuk.com/

LabourLostMe · 11/03/2018 00:41

And I agree, would you have sex with a male bodied person identifying as woman. If no, you're a massive TERF.

LabourLostMe · 11/03/2018 00:33

I had a similar reaction when I first mentioned the issues with my family. I was hurt and dismayed that they weren't immediately on board but I realise now that I went in with my end point rather than explaining how I got there. (I too had previously dismissed gender identity issues as something not affecting me - meh, live and let live, right?).

I explained that I have no issues with trans people (most people know a lovely trans person), but in recent years TRA ideology has developed and is aggressive and trans now includes lady-penised men and very different to 'old skool' transsexuals. I shared the Speaker's Corner incident, and a relative actually said, ''Right now I get it''. They understood I hadn't suddenly decided to demonise Dave from accounts now living as Linda.

As for it being relevant in terms of stats, sports, safety etc. I tend to very occasionally share information I come across. Fallon Fox beating the shit out of a woman is horrific to witness.

It is the issues for young people and children which anger me the most and I think are most important, so I tend to share those stories, such as the baby 'breast fed' by a person born male using drug-stimulated 'milk', just to validate an adult, it is sickening.

Good luck with your OH, I am sure he will get it eventually. Would be interested to know how you get on, please do share if you are happy to do so.

redshoeblueshoe · 11/03/2018 00:21

I also agree - would he have sex with a transwoman ?

redshoeblueshoe · 11/03/2018 00:15

My DH was peaked by sport.

What other feminist issues does he think you should be dealing with ?

JoyTheUnicorn · 11/03/2018 00:02

Would he have sex with a transwoman?
If he sees them as women this shouldn't be an issue.

Sport? Women in sport will be (and are) at a huge disadvantage when transwomen start competing.

Rape crisis centres? Should vulnerable and traumatised women be cared for by someone the same sex as them as opposed to the same sex as whoever raped them?

Tbh I don't think many men will get worked up about it as it's unlikely to affect them. Which is rather self centred.

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