How do I peak trans my OH?

MotherTERF I expect hat like most well meaning people, your DH is confusing 'post op transsexuals' and 'trans women'.

Peak trans is that point at which we can no longer suspend our disbelief regarding transgender advocacy.
It is a belief that no one believes. No one is born in the "wrong body" because there is no wrong body. Some people have body dysmorphia. A mental illness that causes them to starve themselves or want to amputate healthy body parts. There are millions of men with fetishes regarding women.

*Uh oh....

I suspect they have arrived*

You left the bloody door open, Patodp! 😁

I also agree - would he have sex with a transwoman ?
I don't think that's a logical test though of anything. No one has to have sex with anyone they don't fancy, and who you fancy, is not down to logic. To suggest that so.done shouldn't be allowed to be what they are, in terms of how they represent themselves to the world, because your DH wouldn't fancy them, makes no sense.
I would not have sex with a very overweight man - that doesn't mean he has no right to call himself a man.
I don't understand what your DHs personal preference has to do with other peoples rights at all really

sorry...

clareflourish.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/peak-trans/

In for a penny

Peak Trans confused me too, tumblr. I had no idea and it sounded quite mean, very anti trans. I had a good read round the threads where the term was used and then went to Google to confirm:

[Purple Sage Quote] The following questions are designed to make anyone reach peak trans.
If there is nothing distinguishing trans women from other women then why are we calling some women trans?
How do we know which women to call “trans” if there is no way to tell them apart?
Assuming that transgender means transitioning from one gender to the other, then what did trans women transition from? If they were born women and have always been women then why did they need to transition?
Do you think we need a word that describes the set of all adult humans who can produce ova and bear young? Why or why not? If so, what do you think this word should be?
Can you define the word ‘woman’ without using the word in the definition? (i.e. without using a circular definition.)
[End Quote]

So peak trans would be the moment when trans activists finally get so ridiculous that even previous supporters can no longer support them, e.g. having reached the point where you see the ridiculousness of denying biology and that TERF is a made up insult intended to embarrass/scare women into shutting up.

It has nothing to do with wanting to deny the right of any man to be as feminine as he wants to be - or woman to be masculine!

This might help

Wednesday that is exactly the point. The problem is not trans people. Its trans rights activists, who demand access to Women's safe spaces. There are several transwomen on here who are very supportive of this stance.

God reading that back I actually sound really aggressive! That's not really what I meant. What I meant was that imo most people regardless of who they are are just trying to get on with normal life. It's usually a few bad apples giving people a bad rap.

I apologise if that came across as disrespectful, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm not here to make anyone feel bad for feeling s certain way, just saying that I do agree with your DH, most people are pretty decent. I just thought it was odd you didn't agree with that.

I do agree though that there are certain safeguarding issues that need to be worked into our society to keep people safe.

Safety is of paramount importance, for everyone.

Uh oh....

I suspect they have arrived....

What does peak trans mean?

Would someone please explain?

So do you disagree that most trans people are just trying to get on with their lives? If this is his belief that you clearly don't share, what do you think the agenda of MOST transgender people is?

Not saying any of these other opinions aren't valid, just wonder what you think these people are doing if not just trying to get on with life as best they can? How many transgender friends do you have OP? Are they all trying to infiltrate the rape crisis centre for their own sexual gratification? I don't know anyone like that, trans or otherwise!!

I said to DH - that on IWD all MNers were going to go into men's toilets and just watch men pee and laugh

he was very relieved when I told him I'd just made that up

whosrights well my eyes have been opened. ..

You could show him what the trans activists really think of the normal trans people who want to "pass" and get on with their own lives. They call them Truscum and abuse them as much as they do women.
In their eyes, transsexual people who have surgery or hormones are scum. I have some screen shots of some of the abuse I see on twitter.
flic.kr/s/aHsme9TMRr

Ask him if he'd give a transwomen a blow job? If not then she's transphobic and needs to work on his internal blah blah blah.

The story on this blog might be worth sharing with him:

www.thegetrealmom.com/blog/womensrestroom

be honest about your own biology and how it has impacted your life. maybe i'm "lucky" that i have very many examples!!

ask why he as a man would not make space for a trans identified male in men's spaces? ask how he could help make TIMs feel safer?

i'm afraid it would ultimately be a deal breaker for me though. if i am erased and silenced in the world, i need to be supported at home.

I’d be interested in the background of these men who don’t get it. My OH is from a working class family, didn’t go to university, worked his way through a company to end up in a highly paid job, well-read, politically left-wing. Since we started talking about this, his opinion has been a pretty straightforward ‘women don’t have dicks’ which he’s extended to ‘tbh if they’ve ever had dicks they’re not women’. He’s also always knocked round with quite an ‘alternative’ crowd - punks, cross-dressers etc etc so it’s not about thinking they’re ‘odd’. It’s more to him it’s obvious that transwomen aren’t women and that generally that’s not an issue unless they want to start accessing places and services that have good reason to be only for women.

*Hannah Mouncey was a turning point in peaking him though!

In many ways it's a tricky one, we do not have an issue with transwomen in women's spaces because they're transwomen we have an issue with them because they're men
So you have 2 barriers.

First is getting past "transwomen are women". (Why?)

Second is getting past "men in women's spaces is harmful to women" (why?)

I find my DH is quite resistant to the notion of men being generally threatening to women, because NAMALT and everything.

He can also quite unquestioningly believe "TWAW" because he can't see a Transwoman being fully male either... he sort of has a mental block like, he thinks TW are all gay men, harmless, effeminate creatures so should be kept away from the real dangerous men. He can't connect the dots that a dangerous man could also be a Transwoman.

I just end up bringing it down to "because penis"
But it gets frustrating.

DH peaked before me over sport. Plus being told that boys put on puberty blockers meant their penis didn't grow enough to turn it into a fake vagina, so they'd have one made out of a bit of their intestines, meaning parents signing their male children up for this are taking the decision their child will never experience an orgasm. He felt it was rather beyond anything a parent should have the power to do to their child.

But sport peaked him first - particularly the vast sums of money on the table for breaking world records for "woman", and that men who aren't fast enough to make the men's 100/200m finals in the olympics were fast enough to set new world records and collect the winnings if they are allowed to complete as a woman.

I told a male friend what was being done to GNC kids, using Jazz Jennings as an example. I didn't spare him any details & he visibly winced at some bits.

Then we moved on to Hannah Mouncey & the physical advantages retained by transwomen - including the bit about the max permitted testosterone level still being well above the average level for women.

He got it.

The first three links are sports related, even just looking at the pics is a bit of a shock for most guys (make sure you mention that added to their success are often the potential for endorsement deals, scholarships, etc). The last link is about crimes. Hope this helps.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/category/sports/page/2/

www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/

www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

translesbianpositivity.tumblr.com/post/170520246550/the-tip-of-the-iceberg-please-add-to-this-list