A flicker of hope regarding WEP and Trans issues?

If WEP continued down this route, I would vote for them. They are an existing political party and have all the infrastructure in place. We would be daft to overlook them because of the past IF this latest development represents a change of policy.

"This is an existential fight over whether the female half of the human race is to be permitted to exist as a distinct class of persons in law and policy"

WEP if you can state the above AND publicly apologise to HBE you have mine and my partner's votes.

"This is an existential fight over whether the female half of the human race is to be permitted to exist as a distinct class of persons in law and policy"

It cannot be repeated too many times. We almost ought to have it as a banner at the top of any trans thread.

Turbo-contrition needed.

And I’d need to hear a bit more about having the backs of non-middle class women.

What CertainHalfDesertedStreets said.

I'd need to be pretty damn certain they had seen the error of their ways though, after what they put HBE through

Come on WEP. You'd have my vote in a nanosecond if you went full TERF.

Woman = adult human female. It's not hard. It's just the simple truth.

Well I get the outrage about the Moral Maze of course. But I'm now a single issue voter and I like voting. So unless I'm going to spin my own party out of magic hay I'm prepared to forgive and forget.

What a bizarre blog. Why would you join a political party without knowing where they stand on your main issue?

Dawn has an interesting twitter thread going at the moment where she claims that no women except terf nazis have a problem with self ID
This is the Labour party line. It is what little OJ said. It's what LM said in interview. They are still trying to shame women by calling us bigots and outsiders. I think the dam has broken though. Too late for that.

Is this person behind all the WEP Trans stuff ?

antoniamichele.com/2017/06/07/transgender-and-lgbt-rights-promised-in-uk-party-manifestos/
On twitter having a dig at Nimco Ali the other day, I wonder if Antonia made the original complaint about Heather B-E ?

I've just liked her tweet as an offer of support.

Me too. (No pun intended)

hackmum

Yes she was. And listened until almost the end.

Personally, that kind of comment sounds to me like a statement.

This issue is fairly black-and-white, in terms of what you are, or are not, allowed to say.

The most interesting thing about this is a soon as you tentatively say something, you get such a massive backlash, that you go from tentative, to full on terf, based on that very backlash.

I'm not sure if she is aware of that. But she soon will be.

I've just liked her tweet as an offer of support.

If she has changed she is going to need a lot of courage to see this through.

Sophie was at the Woman's Place meeting last week, wasn't she? Maybe listening to the arguments changed her mind.

For me there’s no coming back from the Moral Maze debacle.

I think she's peaked! Hooray. It took long enough.

I do feel for her though. We've all been there and it is a big shift in your world view when the scales fall.

This is an existential fight over whether the female half of the human race is to be permitted to exist as a distinct class of persons in law and policy, not a semantic disagreement or a question of balancing rights.

I'm just repeating this because it's so important

Couldn’t agree more.

While our journeys to terfdom will have been unique to each us, this is surely the final stop.

Unless Sophie is an imbecile, she must realise that the whole trans thing about men being women is utter and total bollocks. Who knows why she is toeing the line, but I find it hard to believe that she doesn’t get it.

People like Dawn Foster and Laurie Penny on the other hand.... Dawn has an interesting twitter thread going at the moment where she claims that no women except terf nazis have a problem with self ID

I will join the party and vote for them if they change this. It's not too late to do so. It's not too late to reach out to homeless labour voters.

Come on Sophie, be 'slow' if you must but FUCKING GET THERE.

Oh this is realllly interesting.

I can only assume the party got absolutely hammered by members leaving over the Heather B. Evans fiasco and she's has to shift her position somewhat.

I really like the tweet.
I could get behind a party that accepted both transwomen's identies AND female biology as important. She must have peak transd.

This is an existential fight over whether the female half of the human race is to be permitted to exist as a distinct class of persons in law and policy

I'm just repeating this because it's so important

Given everything that's happening it's pathetic that we even notice this timid comment.
Bet she'll be in for a drubbing from the activists in her party. If Heather BE can get kicked out for that well known hate speech programme the Moral Maze, then that tweet is literal transphobic violence.

Not holding my breath, but more like this please WEP.

That is a pretty TERFy comment. I'm glad she's written if even if it's a small gesture