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Trans debate. What doe people want?

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PinkbicyclesinBerlin · 10/03/2018 08:46

I live in a country with self id for trans gender people.

Last week for the first time I spotted gender neutral toilets in my work place. I used one of them because it is a fully walled toilet so no issue there. There are also male and female only toilets which I will also continue to use. Women cannot be treated by trans HCPs if it undermines their own dignity and if you go to prison it is to the prison of your birth sex not gender. As far as I am concerned these are some of the realistic limitations to put on self ID but I am not opposed to self ID in principle.

Is this the answer to self ID start lobbying your MEPs to have restrictions that work for everyone and ignore the loud trans narratives that only speak for a tiny minority of clearly misogynistic men and not all of trans women.

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OohMavis · 10/03/2018 09:15

I'd like to see more unisex toilets, but not as a replacement for sex-segregated ones.

I will only take my young daughters into female-only toilets and changing rooms, I want the right to continue to do that.

I want prisons to be sex-segregated unless a transwoman has had sexual reassignment surgery. AFAIK there's no drive for transmen to have access to male prisons (I wonder why), so not sure that's even an issue.

Basically, identify how you want, wear and call yourself whatever you want - just don't take sex-segregated spaces away from women. We need them.

OneEpisode · 10/03/2018 09:11

Hi you said Women cannot be treated by trans HCPs if it undermines their own dignity. How does that work in practice? Is that specified when you make your appointment for health care, for instance?

BigDeskBob · 10/03/2018 09:07

I'd like the debate to move on from toilets. I'd like policy makers to understand that a man does not have the same experiences and issues as women, despite his gender identity.

If we are to compromise and have a sub set of men to be seen as women in certain circumstances, who is going to decide which circumstances are included and which are not. If one subset of men are allowed 'in', why not all men?

I don't see that it benefits me or my daughter to actively campaign to reduce women only facilities and spaces.

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PinkbicyclesinBerlin · 10/03/2018 08:47

Sorry MPs (MEPs whole other controversial debate there)

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