Please help me reply to this defence of "Menstruators"

"It sounded like it was more to be inclusive in the abstract as to who the group is for, rather than denying that the members are actually women."

Well regarding no men being in the group, does it matter? The agenda is driven by men, many women are just "being polite" and trying to always think about men. Regarding this statement, yes I see your point, but then you are reducing humans down to functions. Am I a "spermanator"? Are you a fetus oven rather than a pregnant woman? Where are all the natal women that are unable to do things usually associated with "woman". Do they complain that those who menstruate are called women and not menstruators?

You may indeed IamEarthyMama

HairyLittlePoet
Excellent poem!
Please may I copy and share?

It would make ME feel excluded and dehumanised. To the point, i'd probably leave the group. Even if I needed support. Clearly politics rather than the health condition are the priority of the group.

I think the dehumanisation is triggering to me. The normalisation of it, is vile.

From the OP, it didn't appear that there were any men involved in this decision as it's about something only women will experience. Nor that the group is trying to get others not to call themselves women.

I took it that there were members who did not identify as women but who suffer from PMDD because biology is a bastard like that and doesn't respect self-ID and chosen pronouns

A Poem:

Menstruator, and other words that rhyme with 'hate her'

if you wish to be inclusive
please amend your language usage
'woman' has now been disabled
this is how you shall be labelled:

ovulator, menstruator, gestator, incubator
procreator, lactator, child curator, care-taker
homemaker, meal maker, vacuum cleaner operator
titillator, conciliator, erotic roleplay stimulator

if a woman should resist
any title from this list
please ensure her full compliance
here is how to squash defiance:

moderate, invalidate, ensure that you re-educate her
irritate her, frustrate her, make sure you exasperate her
do berate her, denigrate her, obviously you castigate her
deprecate her, do deflate her, tell her you depreciate her

dominate, humiliate, and certainly manipulate her
subjugate, domesticate, and if you can, you abnegate her
penetrate her, impregnate her, all her life administrate her
regulate, incarcerate, and you shall incapacitate her

violate her, desecrate her, let your actions devastate her
decorate her, mutilate her, crush her and debilitate her
obviate, excoriate, and with your words eviscerate her
decimate, intimidate, until you can subordinate her

designate her, emulate her, mimic her and obfuscate her
appropriate, adulterate, mock and then impersonate her
exterminate, obliterate, and finally annihilate her
disintegrate, evaporate, replace and then eradicate her

just negate her
just negate her
just negate her

hate her

I question any woman who does not feel there is something wrong with men telling you to not call yourself women

From the OP, it didn't appear that there were any men involved in this decision as it's about something only women will experience. Nor that the group is trying to get others not to call themselves women. It sounded like it was more to be inclusive in the abstract as to who the group is for, rather than denying that the members are actually women.

I agree that it would be terrible for someone to use the term 'menstruator' to refer to a woman in any other context and that it would sound akin to 'breeder' or when people say 'she must be on her period'. But this is a group dealing with a medical issue which specifically arises from menstruation.

Bizarre how groups will exclude women for the sake of including women who do not identify as women.

I don’t have an answer & this is a bit Off topic but in the same idea - I came across this from the Breastfeeding Network earlier describing breastfeeding parents.

Another case of inclusivity gorn maaahd?

"Who do you upset. The 5% or 70%? Given you can’t please both groups without excluding one."

"The 5% is so vulnerable your bigoted opinion is literal violence and they will kill themselves".

I would be a menopauser then in this scenario? Presumably men will be laying claim to that too

Oh well that was rather long. I had some tweet exchange with a particularly conceited little bastard and am feeling a bit rany, apologies.

Or 5% transmen may prefer not use word.

70% woman (a guess) hate word mensuators.

So 25% don’t have problem.

Who do you upset. The 5% or 70%? Given you can’t please both groups without excluding one.

Tbh what they have said to you makes it sound like they themselves are weary about it. 'Feel free to get the flack we get' was it? Do feel free to point out that actually them falling over backwards to be inclusive is pretty fucking exclusionary to the vast majority of those they are supposed to be supporting.

But feel free to just let them crack on too. You don't have to fight every battle and it's sometimes exhausting to do so...

"If there are people who feel that they don't fall under the definition of 'woman', the terms menstruators helps them feel included.

Presumably, these people have wombs and are suffering health-wise. If this word helps them to connect with other people suffering PMDD and support each other, how is that a bad thing?"

Sorry, but who cares if they feel included or not?

I can see that in situations where it has no impact on people one can be "inclusive", however in this scenario there is a clear impact. And it's on women. Women can't even call themselves women any more. Do you not get the significance of that?

By the by, have you ever heard of trans men complaining they don't feel included in talk about "men and prostate cancer"? Maybe it has happened but most certainly not on the same scale, not anywhere near it. Do you not wonder why it's almost always women who need to allow others in, give in, be accepting, etc. etc. etc.?

When the term "woman" is no longer objective, based on biological reality, but rather an obscure "identity" or "feeling", it no longer has any meaning. When you say water you mean something specific. You don't mean any liquid that that is clear, do you? "A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman", is not only wrong since it forces females to having to "identify" as woman, but it's circular. It has no more meaning. Women's rights have no basis any longer.

You have to see the bigger picture and not just "well in this instance I'm not really affected but it helps them so let's do it" (though I question any woman who does not feel there is something wrong with men telling you to not call yourself women in relation to quintessential womanly bodily features).

x-post with SpringHen

Menstruaters is fucking offensive as far as im concerned

Me too. It's worse than the whole "reducing a person to their genitals" argument that TRAs like to play, it's reducing us to a biological process.

Plus it reminds me of the term "breeders", as used by misognistic gay men

As RTB says, 'menstruators' is dehumanising. That might not be such a problem if we weren't living in a cultural context which dehumanises us at every opportunity, or if it wasn't so easy to relate that dehumanisation to the serious harms that women and girls suffer on a daily basis.

Because menstruator makes me sound like fucking livestock.
Its like calling a person a breeder. Its dehumanising and degrading.
I DO NOT IDENTIFY AS A MENSTRUATOR DONT MISS LABEL ME.
I am a woman who menstruates

Menstruaters is fucking offensive as far as im concerned.

Agreed red. Also the way that there’s the whole we just want to be respected and accepted bullshit when they don’t respect or accept what women are saying makes my blood boil.

Think most people worry you change it in one place and it will turn into a great social shift. So no one can say women you have to say woman and trans men who have periods. Women and trans men who have breast tissue. Woman and trans men who display different symptoms of a heart attack when present at hospital etc etc If you change it on one area then at
What point is women forever with the tag on?

Some things are so big would
You change it for a tiny bit of
“Well that didn’t apply to me?”
Or “I don’t see that as reflecting who I am”. ?

Im a Wheelchair user if I started complaining everytime a leaflet or website talked about things being a 5min walk or when you walk... because I felt left out they don’t mean me. Making them say it’s a 5min walk or wheel in a wheelchair or using other mobility aid of your Choice . People would think you have lost the plot. Guess some things you are supposed to put up with. Or is it reasonable society changes everything because every word or simple word like men women, see, hear, walk would exclude those who can’t
Or see themselves as
Not belonging.

Lets dehumanise women.

I think id put the words. Do fuck off. If im honest.

This language gymnastics has actually been making me mentality unwell. Its undermining my identity and self worth. Its frankly about holding power over others, to make yourself feel better by projecting your pain on others. Thats frankly abusive.

If you dont want to conform, fine thats your business but it also impacts on others too. Why inflict your misery and emotional problems with identity on other people?

I really don't get these fuckers.

Sex is valid. Women have the right to identify as simply woman without the bullshit. Imposing this on others has consequences too. 'Cis privilege' is a total load of bullshit to emotionally blackmail people.