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Female paramedic tells anecdote for IWD, gets abused on Twitter for being transphobic. Helen Lewis and Hadley Freeman wade in 🙌

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HeyRoly · 09/03/2018 13:17

twitter.com/xliserx/status/971809699539505152?s=21

^So I read this Twitter thread today, started by a paramedic called Lisa, and noticed it was SO quickly derailed by screams of "whataboutery", in this case "what about trans women?" (more about whataboutery here from this excellent blog that I discovered in this sub and immediately bookmarked: victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/ ) to the extent that the original point of the tweet - female paramedic abused by man she'd arrived to rescue - was completely lost. I read it this morning and couldn't believe that a woman making a flippant joke about not having a Y chromosome and having breasts turned into a flaming re. "bio essentialism". Lisa also tweeted "Remember, a woman gave birth to you once" and immediately gets schooled on "not all people who give birth identify as women" and "cisgender narratives are so dominant!" (gosh, I wonder why?)

Lisa tweets later on to say:

Tonight I learned why women don’t share their experiences. The world is terrible. People are terrible. My phone is blowing up with hatred like I’ve never seen in my whole life. Shame on you. I’m a real person. You send your mean @‘s into the void, forgetting exactly that.

Helen Lewis retweets Lisa and says:

Let’s all be honest about what’s happening in cases like this. Gender theory is just being used as an excuse to “correct” women constantly. Men don’t get this when they talk casually and colloquially about being a man

Frankly, it’s a testament to women’s socialisation to be nice and sensitive to other’s feelings that this doesn’t get pointed out more. No one has bombarded @arobertwebb with demands that he talk about the small percentage of men who have vaginas

twitter.com/helenlewis/status/972035005986811904?s=21

Hadley Freeman retweets Helen Lewis and adds:

When I wrote about my miscarriage last year I got multiple tweets and emails telling me I was being transphobic for writing about the chaos of female biology. Do men who write about, say, prostate cancer receive similar? I’m guessing the answer is no.

twitter.com/hadleyfreeman/status/972049768141729792?s=21

I would quite like to buy all of these women a fucking drink.

Apologies for any incoherent writing. It took me ages to compile all those links Grin

Female paramedic tells anecdote for IWD, gets abused on Twitter for being transphobic. Helen Lewis and Hadley Freeman wade in 🙌
Female paramedic tells anecdote for IWD, gets abused on Twitter for being transphobic. Helen Lewis and Hadley Freeman wade in 🙌
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QuentinSummers · 09/03/2018 13:25

I nearly posted about this! Poor Lisa. She sounds great. If there is any doubt that a) misogyny is alive and kicking and b) the trans movement plays into this I suggest people look at her Twitter feed. She told a great story and other women were sharing in solidarity, she even fucking posted a "solidarity with trans sisters on women's day" post earlier and she gets pasted for mentioning her own chromosomes and boobs.
Hope she is reading this. Wine Flowers Cake for Lisa

SweetGrapes · 09/03/2018 13:25

Fucking hell.

(Sorry am not more articulate.)

GuardianLions · 09/03/2018 13:24

well done roly

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