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Brighton and Hove Council introduce pronoun badges

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2018 12:06

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2018/03/09/council-staff-given-thousands-of-pronoun-badges-so-public-dont-assume-their-gender/
Council staff given thousands of pronoun badges so public don’t assume their gender

If you don't wear a badge of course, you don't support the cause. This is thought policing on an epic scale.

I look forward to this policy being rolled out in Stoke, Hull, Blackpool, Hartlepool etc...

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ChattyLion · 10/03/2018 11:48

Shock This is so creepy as nauticant said and so wasteful of public funds. All about enforcing personal power and inappropriate attention seeking.

When you are working in a job supporting the public on behalf of your local authority with their needs at the forefront of your mind, surely their use of your preferred personal pronouns would be really be neither here nor there. You are there to do the job at hand. If you are that much of a delicate flower that if a service user gets the sex recognition cues that you present ‘wrong’ compared to your preference, this would seriously upend your sensibility, then maybe you are too delicate to work in a public- facing job.

You can’t control everyone’s else’s minds and perceptions of you. This is usually understood to be part and parcel of living life among other human beings.

TerfsUp · 10/03/2018 11:27

I hope they're vegan, too.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/03/2018 08:30

I hope there is no plastic in these badges.

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BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 09/03/2018 23:37

I should qualify.

I grew up in Brighton and love it.

It has been a beacon for tolerance for decades.

It just makes it susceptible to this sort of misguided cock-up which I think will be mopped up and ditched by the residents fairly quickly.

Local comments are all scathing.

I don't live there now.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 09/03/2018 23:25

Yikes! How would braille badges work?

People would have to rub them to read them.

And they would be attached to people.

Who might object to being rubbed!

I hope there is no plastic in these badges.

That would be very counter virtue.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 09/03/2018 19:13

I've got a badge with my chromosomes on. Can I wear that?

Natsku · 09/03/2018 19:09

If you can be bothered I'd be very interested to learn if they do invent special terms

Trying to look it up but can't figure out what search terms to use (Finnish is hard :( ) - wouldn't ever come across it in the area I live, people are too sensible here!

GlitterGlue · 09/03/2018 18:44

This is why I'm so glad I live in Finland now, everyone is just 'hän', no preferred pronouns are possible. Well unless they make them up, which I suppose some probably do.

If you can be bothered I'd be very interested to learn if they do invent special terms.

SmilingButClueless · 09/03/2018 18:41

Actually, how would this work if you’re gender-fluid? Multiple badges?

Natsku · 09/03/2018 18:41

Hang on, not all languages use gendered pronouns. How will the special snowflakes translate their specialness?

This is why I'm so glad I live in Finland now, everyone is just 'hän', no preferred pronouns are possible. Well unless they make them up, which I suppose some probably do.

GlitterGlue · 09/03/2018 18:32

Hang on, not all languages use gendered pronouns. How will the special snowflakes translate their specialness?

Coyoacan · 09/03/2018 18:30

I find the insistence that all of us have a "preferred pronoun" incredibly tedious. I don't even have a preferred name

This. I tell people they can call me whatever they want as long as it is not insulting.

What huge egos these people have

Datun · 09/03/2018 18:27

grasspigeons

I hope they are accesible badges. I look after a visually impaired person. Id hate them to not see the badge and make a mistake. I also assist refugees so I hope they are translated into many languages.

Absolutely. It's all about inclusivity. All the badges need to have been translated into braille, and as many languages as necessary.

In fact they will have to just dispense with the badges together, and wear high viz jackets so they can get it all on there.

whoputthecatout · 09/03/2018 18:25

Could only be Brighton. Precious beyond belief.

Mogleflop · 09/03/2018 18:22

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InfiniteSheldon · 09/03/2018 18:20

Vulva? Mumsnetters
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B&H council are professional jump on bandwagonners. They've just had to backtrack on changing all the school holiday dates. They've caused chaos fort two years by shortening the summer and given random extra unwanted weeks elsewgere. They also have a supposed 75 million in cash and other reserves. So money no object.

grasspigeons · 09/03/2018 18:19

I hope they are accesible badges. I look after a visually impaired person. Id hate them to not see the badge and make a mistake. I also assist refugees so I hope they are translated into many languages.

MeganChips · 09/03/2018 18:16

Christ on a cracker.

I don’t work for them but I am on working on site there occasionally. There is no way in hell I am wearing one.

I’m not on site for a couple of weeks but if anyone is interested I can report back.

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2018 18:12

Can you define gender as anything more than belief?

If you go through what all the prominent TRAs say about it, then they actually pretty much say that. I'm not sure you can get away from it, because there isn't anything scientific there and given the anti-science and resistance to research it only reinforces the idea that its nothing more than a belief. It behaves like a cult. It talks of being 'born in the wrong body' like a soul.

"if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck"

I think it would be very difficult to argue against in court. If its defined in law as a belief, then surely that would offer protection to sex as a class.

Speaking of Canada, this article has greatly amused me, given the law on who is male and female there:
www.standard.co.uk/news/world/judge-rules-parents-do-not-have-to-lie-about-the-easter-bunny-a3786216.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1520609277
Judge rules parents do not have to lie about the Easter Bunny

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Terfmore · 09/03/2018 18:11

Ovahere - that would be great idea.

SunsetBeetch · 09/03/2018 18:11

I think I've had enough. I think I'm going to live on a desert island or something. Every. Single. Day. There is some new craziness.

thebewilderness · 09/03/2018 18:10

I wonder what colors and shapes they will use for the different beliefs.

OvaHere · 09/03/2018 18:02

Perhaps we could spend Trans Visibility Day reminding all tweeters that not all women are transwomen.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 09/03/2018 17:56

Red

That's interesting. At least Canada changed the law re. pronouns with the C16 bollocks, but this is just been imposed with no legal changes at all.

The fine for misgendering is in NYC, from what have read. I don't quite understand how this can be done. At State level, certainly the law can be changed, but this change to freedom of speech at a municipal level? Also pondering..

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2018 17:55

Why is this being launched on the back of international women's day???!

Demonstration of power.

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