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How many here are Guardians Subscribers?

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 09/03/2018 02:30

I am increasingly concerned that The Guardian hasn't, and isn't, reflecting our concerns re TIMs being allowed wholesale access to women only spaces, without a proper debate.

The Tory press seem to be the only ones vocalising our concerns. How many here are subscribers to the Guardian i.e. pay them something?

I am loathe to hit them but really what action do we have left other than withdraw our money?

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 20/03/2018 08:46

Good to see Cambridge Analytics caught out in their insidious business by the Observer and Channel 4

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holycheeseplant · 09/03/2018 14:11

I am still as I do like many other articles eg gardening etc and aspects of the times piss me off.

However.

I'm not liking vast amounts of it at the mo.

Trailedanderror · 09/03/2018 13:25
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MacaroonMama · 09/03/2018 12:36

@Trailedanderror Oh indeed I do! It has come to this - I go straight to the back page of the G2 😭😭😭

Trailedanderror · 09/03/2018 12:12

@MacaroonMama do you do the codeword? the reason I've not cancelled yet Blush

Trailedanderror · 09/03/2018 12:11

I'm a subscriber. I just feel so depressed about it all, the only actions I can take are defeatist. Resign from Labour Party, cancel Guardian Sad

MacaroonMama · 09/03/2018 11:56

DH is a subscriber. We have both read it since Uni days so nearly 20 years. I am furious at the moment that it is so misogynistic. It will not even allow debate FFS. But it still comes in the house because of DH's subscription.

I just do the crossword now (insert Daily Mail sad face here)

LangCleg · 09/03/2018 08:59

The Guardian aggressively supported Iraq.

It approved of austerity under the Coalition government.

Its feminism is of the liberal kind that actively harms women under patriarchy.

I read a couple of its columnists/reporters. But that's all. I certainly wouldn't give it any of my money.

Silk29 · 09/03/2018 08:55

Definitely not a subscriber. The Guardian used to be my main source of news (great for housing, welfare etc.), but they've already shown us they will put their agenda before women.

Despite widespread coverage from other news outlets, The Guardian failed to mention the 1,200 women in German who were sexually assaulted, raped, and robbed by asylum seekers and illegal immigrants on NYE a few years ago. I won't miss The Guardian if it goes.

loveyouradvice · 09/03/2018 08:49

Me......long-time reader..... cannot believe they are behaving like this....

YTho · 09/03/2018 08:45

I don't agree with everything in the guardian and would like to see an unbiased newspaper with no affiliation with any particular political leaning. As that is not how things are done at the moment, I'd hate to lose one of the few left wing media outlets remaining. The rest have varying degree of right wing bias.

Iminthecclubnow · 09/03/2018 08:35

After that Gary Dean article where they so obviously left out the facts about what a huge pervert he is, I completely lost all respect for The Guardian. It was outrageous and makes them no better than the DM.

shedalight · 09/03/2018 08:28

I was a subscriber - cancelled my subscription over 6 months ago. Took out a Times subscription and have been pleasantly surprised. There are some great writers and genuinely investigative reporting. And I can read both right and left wing views about issues (eg Brexit). Their coverage of self ID has been increasingly good.
Some of the below the line comments are tediously anti women / right wing (just like the Grauniad) but there are obviously a lot of intelligent gender critical women posting.

lucydogz · 09/03/2018 08:17

I will never buy the Guardian. There's a great t shirt that Daily Mash sells with 'The Guardian. Wrong about everything, all the time' that pretty much sums it up for me. But I get a perverse pleasure in checking out certain stories on line, just to see how wrong they can be. And they never disappointed.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 09/03/2018 08:12

I think some of the reporting Carole Cadwalladr has done is world class. I'd prefer to see more investigative stuff e.g. involving the forces behind TRAs/MRAs and their money trail plus propaganda use of social media.

For me they've lost the feminist focus - I'd rather they go back to having a women's page and publishing stuff that is provocative about the very real and complex challenges many women and children face - they've lost that focus imo in the face of a libfem "everything is all right and everything is possible if you work hard enough - very American and a reflection of the editor's history over there.

Where is the Poor Cow and Ken Loach type reporting?

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Dog1981 · 09/03/2018 07:46

@LittleLebowski
Apologies, I wasn't sure if you were posting it as a serious story.
Its hard to tell on t'internet. Again sorry.

wheresmyphone · 09/03/2018 07:46

Subscriber and will continue to, Don’t agree with everything, but realistically I do not expect to when I buy a publication. It is by far the best newspaper by a country mile. No other reasonable alternatives that comes close in terms of quality.

LittleLebowski · 09/03/2018 07:22

@dog1981
The Daily Mash is satirical?Shock well, I never!!!!Grin
I like your point about The Daily Mail though - also satirical and not real!

FreiasBathtub · 09/03/2018 07:17

I cancelled my subscription after the Marie Dean debacle. Wrote to the readers' editor as well to tell them why. Never heard back, of course.

It's a shame. The Guardian has always been 'my' paper. And it has some gender critical columnists (I love Hadley Freeman and was so pleased when she nailed her colours to the mast) - but it was the blatant influence of ideology within the reportage rather than the commentary that pissed me off. I can ignore the commentary but I want to be able to trust the reporting.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 09/03/2018 07:12

I used to be, but I have given up on them due to all this trans stuff. The Marie Dean article and the puff piece uncritically advertising underage use of cross-sex hormones were the last nails in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. On this issue the paper has repeatedly advocated serious harm to vulnerable people.

2rebecca · 09/03/2018 07:10

I was a regular Guardian reader until a couple of years ago when its complete failure to discuss both sides of the trans issue and the one sidedness of its reporting on many issues put me off. I don't want to be told what to think I like a debate.

MrsOvarall · 09/03/2018 06:54

Lebowski Grin

Orphan I have middle aged nostalgia for the women's page too. It got me thinking critically as a teenager.

However I'm with you OP. They are promoting the oppression of half of the population. Wasn't a subscriber but I don't click on their site any more or buy the paper nowadays.

Patodp · 09/03/2018 06:54

They are in bed with Momentum

This is not true at all.
Katherine Vinery came to the Guardian from The Times. Her and her circle (Polly Toynbee etc) can't stand Corbyn and hates Momentum.

The Guardian are Chummy with Alistair Cambell and all the Blairite MPs particularly (aristocrat) Stella Creasy and her pals.

While the Trans Cult seems to have taken over Momentum, it is a cross party issue and has been determinedly embraced by the Blairite wing of Labour too.

Dog1981 · 09/03/2018 06:53

@littlelebowski
The dailymash is a satirical newspaper, as in similar to the DM, not real stories

Dog1981 · 09/03/2018 06:45

@womanformallyknownaswoman
You didn't look very hard then. There was 5 or 6 articles just down on the home page. Yes it was an important event, however given current events it is hardly headline news.