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TRA arrested outside Department for Health

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TimbuktuTimbuktu · 08/03/2018 12:13

"A protester who was taking part in an Women’s Strike UK action at the Department of Health and Social Care has been arrested, the group says.

According to the group:

Trans women and their allies were peacefully protesting the Department of Health this morning to call urgent attention to the failings in the provision of healthcare for trans people."

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/08/international-womens-day-2018-live-protests-press-for-progress-live

I bet you a tenner it's one of our Action for Trans Health Pals.

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Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:14

And what if a working class woman votes Conservative?

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 15:13

I thought these people were supposed to be politically correct!

Indigenous???

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 15:12

indigenous???

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:09

From Womenstrike

Thursday is about solidarity between all women – trans women, women of colour, indigenous, working class, disabled, migrant, sex workers, Muslim, lesbian and queer.*

Good luck with that! Lesbian and trans do not mix. Muslim women have distinct problems of their own. Sex workers and migrants conflate constantly.

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:01

I knew someone with PND. She was found walking the streets in late October in her bare feet with the baby in a sling. Thankfully it was someone she knew who found her.

The 'father' had gone back to his wife.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 14:59

Boob job? I have a friend who wanted a reduction on the NHS for physical and mental reasons.

Would the NHS let her?

Nope. She had to go private.

As I say, join the queue.

Atthebottomofthesea · 08/03/2018 14:55

I think the 'the NHS don't do enough' is in relation to waiting lists and having to 'jump through hoops' to get anything. The comparison is made to a boob job, which I as a cis woman can just have no questions asked, apparently so they should be able to have drugs etc on demand.

For some reason they never compare it on a more like for like basis such as female sterilisation because that would blow the argument out the window.

MeltingSnowAfterHeavyFall · 08/03/2018 14:54

I have concerns for the mental health of many in UK leadership, they listen and action #TransCult demands. For the few not the many!

DonkeySkin · 08/03/2018 14:51

'too posh to push'

So much dehumanising misogyny in that phrase, it makes me feel ill.

Utterly contemptuous dismissal of the acute physical and mental health impacts of pregnancy and birth on women.

I had perinatal depression when I was pregnant with DD, and am so thankful that I was able to access specialist mental health care.

FurryGiraffe · 08/03/2018 14:51

Almost every trans person I know is severely mentally ill.

But identifying as trans must definitely, emphatically not be regarded as a mental health issue Hmm

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 14:49

Are the activists going to jump up and down shouting transphobia then, and go legal on the shelters?

Yes. Because they see themselves as the only vulnerable members of society.

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 14:47

Almost every trans person I know is severely mentally ill.

No one who is "severely mentally ill" should be in a position of authority as their capacity to reason and make sound judgements.

It's really a bit of an own goal, there.

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:46

The issue is that women's biological health is so far down the political agenda that no one gives a shit. Women's health isn't regarded as political currency that will win votes nor is it valued as important in its own right.

This.

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:44

If trans people are mentally ill because they routinely face violence, why aren't ALL women continually mentally ill?

That's fucking effect and cause, not cause and effect.

It's such palpable nonsense which is never challenged.

Goldmonday · 08/03/2018 14:29

Fuck me @RedToothBrush I have never heard this issue raised before thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Exactly what healthcare don't they receive? A magic box of hormones?

Springtrolls · 08/03/2018 14:28

That is really shocking Red.
I wonder if the policymakers are thinking about the queue-jumping, threatening legal action that will happen.

IAmMatty · 08/03/2018 14:25

Jesus christ Red Angry

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 14:16

Here's another idea to reflect on and ponder:
www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-10-16/a-system-at-breaking-point
Revealed: Thousands of vulnerable women turned away as refuge funding is cut
Survivors and support workers tell the Bureau of a refuge system at breaking point

Local authorities across England have cut their spending on domestic violence refuges by nearly a quarter (24%) since 2010, according to our new research.

and

The Bureau’s survey of 40 refuge managers across England revealed that 95% of refuges surveyed have turned women away in the last six months, either because they have physical impairments, complex mental health needs, they had too many children with them or simply because there were no beds available.

and

On average two women are killed by their partner or ex-partner every week in England and Wales.

and

Last year Theresa May and the Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) announced a £20m pot to fund domestic violence projects. The 76 successful projects were revealed in a high profile announcement in February which the Prime Minister said had the potential “to completely transform the way we think about and tackle domestic violence and abuse”.

However the Bureau’s analysis shows that 50 local authorities received nothing, an equivalent of 15% of the adult female population.

Shropshire, for example, did not receive any of the DCLG funding. The county council has cut its funding to refuges by 48% since 2010.

Even in areas that were funded, the amount per head of population varies wildly, from the equivalent of £3.52 per adult woman in Cumbria, to just 11p in Kent.

and this one especially

Vital support services like child support workers, specialist provision for women from minority ethnic backgrounds and substance abuse workers have been reduced.

Those who are most vulnerable can be most affected by cuts, as service provision to those groups is more complex.

Marai Larasi of Imkaan, explained the importance of services tailored to black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) women. “Part of it is understanding different cultural nuances, issues around language but also autonomy. It really helps if you are being supported by people that understand the range of issues you are dealing with”, she said.

In East London, the Ashiana network runs three refuges with provision for BAME women, especially those fleeing forced marriage or “honour-based” violence. Housing services manager Pam Saleem told the Bureau: “Last year we lost funding for one of our refuges, the council decided they wanted to fund generic provision”, rather than specialist refuges.

All these people screaming that transwomen should have access to women's shelters, fail to acknowledge that disabled women, women with mental health needs, women with too many children, women with particular cultural issues and language difficulties are being turned away. The shelters can not provide the specialist services they need. Women and kids are being sent 600miles to get a place.

What happens if the single sex exemptions for shelter turns away someone trans, because they can't accommodate them and they prioritise a woman with kids? Are the activists going to jump up and down shouting transphobia then, and go legal on the shelters? Thus meaning that transwomen have to be given priority because they have mouthy friends who will endanger the very existence of the shelter otherwise?

Seriously? Trans people obviously need specialist services. If women and kids are having to go 600miles to get a space, then why isn't the money that will appear for a legal case simply being spent on a specialist shelter for transwomen?

I can almost guarantee we will get this 'queue jumping' privileged bollocks going on. Which hardly smacks of being the most oppressed in society.

If women and kids with particular special needs can't get in a DV shelter, then why should transwomen get priority over them?

Piggie back their shit. Get out women's message in doing so.

IAmMatty · 08/03/2018 13:51

If trans people are mentally ill because they routinely face violence, why aren't ALL women continually mentally ill?

That's fucking effect and cause, not cause and effect.

Also, you're bound to feel like you're constantly under siege if you decide that people saying the wrong words in your presence is, you know, actual violence. Hmm

I'm so sick of this mentality.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 13:47

I should correct - 80% of women in NI, 70% of women in Wales have no specialist maternal mental health provision.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 08/03/2018 13:38

Thank you for those links and the info red excellent information that I can now use professionally Star

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/03/2018 13:35

A friend of mine died

The coroner said they felt it was down to post natal depression that hadnt been treated

Her children were between 9 and 6

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 13:30

What are we going to do about this?

Keep talking. Keep telling people, until someone listens.

I am thinking though, that maybe this could get some publicity pigging backing off the trans 'welllllll keeeeeelllllll ourselves' team and put some perspective on things.

No one can point to any numbers relating to trans suicide, but here we are with some for maternity and the lack of mental health provision.

BumpInTheOven · 08/03/2018 13:30

There'll be something else that comes along... I've had multiple peaks... Wink

Worrying stats tho Confused

Springtrolls · 08/03/2018 13:27

Are we supposed to feel sorry for the transwoman who have to wait to access various services?
All I can say is welcome to womanhood. You wanted to be like us. This is the reality for us. It's more than pretty dresses and wearing pink.

Today I have finally hit my peak

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