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Single Issue Political Party- The Protection of Female Only Spaces

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SemaMjinga · 08/03/2018 11:46

Is there any interest in being part of this? and what do you think the priorities/focus should be?

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MIngerDynasty · 09/03/2018 13:10

I'd help with this. I've been really distressed by people talking about voting UKIP as a protest vote.

Women are at risk, but voting for a party that puts vulnerable immigrants (50% of whom are women Hmm) at risk to make a statement is vile.

Triliteration · 09/03/2018 12:54

I’m currently overseas, but can still vote. I’d vote for this.

MuddlingMackem · 09/03/2018 12:42

Sounds good and I'll support if I can.

YogaDrone · 09/03/2018 11:45

When I first clicked this thread my mind was in the "No, I don't want to vote for a single issue party" frame of mind, but, as with so many others I'm a disenfranchised voter. None of the parties represent my concerns.

So why not support a single issue party instead?

I'm in. I'm happy to contribute to the "fighting fund" when one is created and very happy to canvass, leaflet and generally turn out in my local area.

I agree that this should be cross party and non partisan based on sex not gender, freedom of speech, sexual equality, campaigning for the protection and extension of women's and children's rights. Pretty much what GirlScout72 said really.

Chocolatecake84 · 09/03/2018 10:36

I'm in. Let's just do it. Let's establish a party for WOMEN. Females.

I don't think it matters if we win very few seats or even none at all. We need to raise awareness of what is happening. That's what important.

I agree with pretty much all of Donkeyskin's post. We must keep biological sex as a separate and protected category in law. France recently found in favour of this, that there is a difference between sex and gender and sex is a distinct category and they must be separated in the law.

meddie · 09/03/2018 10:12

MrsMcGarry the aim is to raise the profile of this issue not necessarily to field candidates in all seats and take over the country. Nigel Farage only ever won one seat but got invited on all media to discuss his parties aims. That media exposure is exactly what is needed at the minute as women are being effectively silenced everywhere. The general public on the whole have no idea of the impact of losing sex based protections, and most actually agree with the absurdity of it once they hear about it.. But the TRA's are getting to sell their narrative of how lovely and progressive and inclusive it is, without the negatives being highlighted or discussed.

SemaMjinga · 09/03/2018 01:10

Its 2018 MrsMcGarry

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MrsMcGarry · 09/03/2018 00:16

Oh sweet summer child...

Have any of you ever actually been involved in organising a political party? Are you aware that we have FPTP which makes it difficult for minority parties to win anything? What seats are you going to target in which elections (you have about 4 weeks before close of nominations for local elections 2017 and can't get registered in time for that so would have to stand as an independent)? Do you know anything about how GDPR relates to political campaigning and what data you are allowed to use? What an imprint is meant to say? PPERA rules on donations?

I mean, go for it. Good luck. I'm all for widening of political space. Even for people whose views I think are abhorent. You'll want to start with www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/party-or-campaigner/guidance-for-political-parties/registering-and-maintaining-a-party

And the libdems are very firmly in the transwomen are women camp. Have been for a long time. 'Cos we believe no-one should be enslaved by conformity.

TERFousBreakdown · 09/03/2018 00:15

I could get behind GirlScout's singke issue agenda.

As for voting Tory (hisssss!!!): I'd rather drop dead. I may be willing to vote for a single issue party under circumstances such as these but that certainly doesn't mean I'm willing to sacrifice all of my other convictions - almost all of which the Tories oppose.

buckbeak · 09/03/2018 00:13

This is a great idea.

Im in, just as long as it isn't a 'left/right wing party. I think now is the time for women from all sides to band together.

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 23:58

Also agree.

Kokeshi123 · 08/03/2018 23:36

Just repeating what other posters have said, but for God's sake keep the focus narrow and the tent wide. Don't do an Occupy Wall Street/Women's March/Whatever and turn it into a laundry list of hard-left concerns.

PurdysChocolate · 08/03/2018 17:39

I'd be super on board with this. I agree the focus should be narrow.

spillikins · 08/03/2018 16:55

I was thinking about this the other day. Wasn't one of the winning parties in the Italian elections an internet based party? How did they do it?

picklemepopcorn · 08/03/2018 16:32

I'm in.
Fighting stereotypes.
Fighting discrimination
Domestic violence.
Objectification of women
Misogyny.

therealposieparker · 08/03/2018 16:14

I am brave and a Rhino!!

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 15:25

Love SexNotGender - it would need some thick skinned and brave representatives though!

MeltingSnowAfterHeavyFall · 08/03/2018 14:59

I suggest collating the replies from MPs that oppose and support Self-ID.

DonkeySkin · 08/03/2018 14:23

I think the crux of the issue is 'gender identity' overriding/extinguishing the category of 'sex' in law and policy.

All of the other issues - single-sex spaces, sex segregation in prison, sports, data collection, etc. - flow from that.

So the central mission of the party should be to campaign to retain biological sex as a meaningful legal category, and to argue that sex, not 'gender identity' should be the determinant of who gets to use spaces, services, programs, etc, that are segregated by sex, because the very logic of their existence is predicated on the material reality of sexed bodies, not people's subjective internal states.

So you need to focus on that - to draw the public's attention to the fact that politicians and policy makers are replacing the objective category of sex with the entirely subjective feeling of 'gender identity', and that this makes no sense from a legal or policy standpoint. They need to be forced to answer WHY they are doing this (who benefits, and who loses?) and to fully grapple with the wide-ranging consequences of this radical change, including the extensive safeguarding issues it will give rise to, instead of being allowed to slip it in under the guise of 'inclusivity'.

A name like SexNotGender would efficiently convey the central mission of the party, as well as allowing representatives to push for a broader examination of the logic of gender identity ideology itself,* such as the way it conflates sex (male/female) with gender/sex roles (masculinity/femininity), and the fact that the paediatric transition industry is carrying out ever more extreme medical interventions in the bodies of children on the basis of the entirely unscientific belief that they have the 'soul' of the opposite sex trapped inside their bodies.

*Imagine: every time a rep is asked to explain the name, they'd get to do a mini-spiel on how 'gender' is sexist bollocks, while sex is a material reality.

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:15

Italics fail Blush

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:14

I have booked in to see my MP to tell him that Tories should drop self ID as they'd scoop up labour voters and where are the bloody libdems?

It's a shame, as I live in a strong Labour area but next door is a marginal Tory seat. My mum lives in said Tory constituency. Need to work on her to set up a meeting!

SemaMjinga · 08/03/2018 14:09

Haha cockerspaniel, i dont think mumsnet will want to be associated with us!!

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therealposieparker · 08/03/2018 14:01

I have booked in to see my MP to tell him that Tories should drop self ID as they'd scoop up labour voters and where are the bloody libdems?

Anyhoo

misscockerspaniel · 08/03/2018 13:55

The Mumsnet Political Union, a coalition of the left, right and centre, welcoming all females* regardless of age, colour, religion etc.
(*and males who support our aims).

MeltingSnowAfterHeavyFall · 08/03/2018 13:54

Good stats here from RedToothbrush

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3188440-tra-arrested-outside-department-for-health

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