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Venice Allan (Dr Radfem) resigns from Labour

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2018 09:37

m.facebook.com/DRradfem/posts/2108975092654757

Transcript of her interrogation disciplinary interview with Labour on above link.

The term Orwellian is way overused, but I think it is actually applicable here.

Particularly noticeable to me was the insistence on not just looking at the the facts, but at what she was thinking. I didn't realise thought crime was a thing outside of dystopian fiction.

I feel sorry for Venice, it came across that Labour was very much part of who she was.

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LangCleg · 08/03/2018 21:05

At one point I nearly refunded the whole pot, on the day when the solicitors outlined all the risks and said it cd be very VERY expensive... but then I read a comment on here from a Mumsnetter on here.. she said she was a 'bedraggled middle aged woman' or something... and she had given up hope, but I had given her hope and the crowdfunder had given her hope. Well I had to forge ahead then, for her! :-)

You also did great, Jen.

Just to reiterate - I may have flounced off from Labour but I will be happy to donate again if the money runs out and you need it.

PlectrumElectrum · 08/03/2018 20:53

Just listened too - you were great Jennifer. Bloody great. Interesting how swiftly your suspension interview has been dealt with while your own justified complaints from before your suspension have been ignored.

Good luck, your passion & commitment to Labour shines through despite the treatment you are enduring. They don't know how damn lucky they are to have people like you.

seesea · 08/03/2018 20:52

Thank you Jennifer and Venice HaloThanksThanksStarStarStarStarStarThanksThanksThanks

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 20:46

Thanks to Venice and Jennifer

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 08/03/2018 20:41

@JenniferJames

I listened to the whole thing & you were brilliant.

It was really chilling to read Venice's transcript & listen to your recording - thought crime is sneaking in & it's scary.

I hope all goes well for you & Venice, and that you get good outcomes.

I'm a Tory (sorry!) - but the self ID thing & silencing/bullying of women is something that unites women across all of the political spectrum.
You are not alone in this fight, you have solidarity from people like me who aren't on your 'team' as well.

All the best xx

DarthArts · 08/03/2018 20:37

JJ - just finished listening.

I think you came across really well and argued your position admirably.

I did feel that there was an agenda to use a weight of evidence against you, hence the inclusion of some very imho flimsy allegations.

Fundamentally I came away wondering what the case was against you, other than you resisting the doctrine of self Id.

Combined with the transcript from Venice it's a very sad reflection on the state of the LP at the present time.

snawdays · 08/03/2018 20:35

It really is strange isn’t it, men have decided that the feelings of transwomen trump safety considerations and rights of women.

I can’t help thinking self ID has made the world a more polarised place, rather than making anyone feel more included or accepted because they’re setup something so ridiculous in the idea that you are whatever you feel like.

xxmarksthespot · 08/03/2018 20:27

Started listening to the JenniferJames interview. What terribly loaded questions

Terfmore · 08/03/2018 20:23

Thankyou to both women. I can't see how this can end well for Labour. If they don't expel Jennifer the trans activists will have a enormous tantrum.

GardenGeek · 08/03/2018 20:19

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SophoclesTheFox · 08/03/2018 20:13

Holy shit, it's terrifying.

Wishing you strength, Venice & Jennifer. Hold fast.

JenniferJames · 08/03/2018 20:13

Us dishevelled middle aged women gotta stick together.

twitter.com/msjenniferjames/status/951913077305413633?s=20

LittleLebowski · 08/03/2018 20:13

Jennifer James, you did really well.Flowers
Can't believe it came to that for you or Venice when some other truly horrible language and awful behaviour from mostly men appears to have been overlooked.
Not a Labour supporter, but I am also a "bedraggled middle-aged woman" and never made a contribution to a political campaign ever before yours. Please do keep going.

ApocalypseNowt · 08/03/2018 20:12

I saw this on twitter and shared it.

KochabRising · 08/03/2018 20:04

jennifer james from another disheveled middle aged woman, thank you. People like you amaze me - I have my ideals but I do wonder if I’d be brave enough to stick my head above the parapet when it really counts. Just thank you.

Is your crowdfunder still active? I would like to donate

OvaHere · 08/03/2018 20:03

Not interested in her Father's views then. I wonder why not? Hmm

Bejazzled · 08/03/2018 20:03

Some inspiring and brave women on here Flowers

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2018 20:02

I didn't listen to the whole thing (sorry!) But the piece of evidence 4 about men following girls into toilets was ridiculous. You explained, with references, in great detail why you had made this statement and that it was about self ID, and the interviewer just said something like "so you were saying transpeople are a threat" without acknowledging in the slightest that you had just said something completely different.. DP and I were both Hmm and the words "kangaroo court" may have been used.

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KochabRising · 08/03/2018 20:02

"Does your mother hold these views?" (about 3/4 through)

Theee generations policy in N Korea... just saying ;)

OlennasWimple · 08/03/2018 20:01

"Does your mother hold these views?" (about 3/4 through)

Seriously?? We are supposed to be punished responsible for our (female) family members as well now??

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JenniferJames · 08/03/2018 19:57

Thanks for posting mine up! I was absolutely fine at the time..l adrenaline and determination took over... but it's unpleasant listening to it now. I was VERY nervous on the train on the way down, had to have large glasses of Jack D & Coke to calm my nerves.

My son edited it to bleep out the names of the... innocent? He even bleeped out Iain McNicol. Thanks everyone for yr support.

At one point I nearly refunded the whole pot, on the day when the solicitors outlined all the risks and said it cd be very VERY expensive... but then I read a comment on here from a Mumsnetter on here.. she said she was a 'bedraggled middle aged woman' or something... and she had given up hope, but I had given her hope and the crowdfunder had given her hope. Well I had to forge ahead then, for her! :-)

Chocolatecake84 · 08/03/2018 19:51

Oh Christ, poor Venice.

This really is terrifying. I feel like we're in a world of 1984/The Handmaid's Tale.

I am getting really scared for women.

KochabRising · 08/03/2018 19:45

cloudtree

THANK YOU! I wish I could be so directly helpful.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2018 19:41

Jennifer James' disciplinary audio here:

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